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Old 06-13-2007, 07:55 PM
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I either shove or raise call.
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Old 06-13-2007, 07:58 PM
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Default Re: On the final table bubble in a WSOP Event

Btw I really think raise calling is just a very bad strategy here. It's such a bad thing to get someone to reraise us with overcards in a structure like this. It only helps if they reraise with a smaller pair or something like A5s, but even then it's not like incredibly amazing. It's much more valuable to avoid showdowns here IMO instead of trying to be tricky and getting some bozo to go allin with T9s because they think you are scared of busting on the bubble.

I mean cmon, you have freaking 77 why in the world do you want to encourage action?? It seems just so terrible to me.
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Old 06-13-2007, 08:12 PM
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I'd just shove btw.
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Old 06-13-2007, 08:16 PM
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Yeah live I just ship this in
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Old 06-13-2007, 08:20 PM
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Default Re: On the final table bubble in a WSOP Event

i agree that if raising to 3x will encourage random bad overcards hands to shove, that wouldnt have called a shove, that it's a bad option. But i think it's more likely to add underpairs to his range not hands like JTs.
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Old 06-13-2007, 08:34 PM
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Default Re: On the final table bubble in a WSOP Event

Shove otherwise you're going to hate yourself when anything else happens
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Old 06-13-2007, 08:53 PM
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Default Re: On the final table bubble in a WSOP Event

-What about a thinking player that has seen us Push hand after hand and now we're just making a smallish standard opening raise.
-I feel like a push certainly gives us the best chance to take down the blinds and antes, while a raise still shows a lot of strength and will most likely be respected.
-taking down blinds increases our stack by about 15%.
-2.5/3x bb raise might still take down the blinds or get called and we have an easy decision on the flop, with a chance to either double or take down a larger pot. or maybe lose your original raise but you still have a stack to use to chip up.
-2.5/3x raise gets repopped you have a decision for all your chips depending on your read maybe you can fold and you still have a stack to push and chip up.

Clearly I can articulate all that well, but I think a smallish/ standard raise gives you the most options and still puts fear into people to act behind.
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Old 06-13-2007, 08:58 PM
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(thanks Nath)
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Old 06-13-2007, 09:37 PM
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Default Re: On the final table bubble in a WSOP Event

Raise/Fold. The other players all know what your doing. They know you had to go all in prior to this b/c of your short stack, but that you some chips now. This is a good stealing hand, but if someone goes over the top you are almost certainly beaten and at best racing. Plus, if they didn't already know why you were all in before then maybe they will be suspiscious of your small raise and fold some otherwise playable hands.
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Old 06-14-2007, 07:36 AM
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Default Re: On the final table bubble in a WSOP Event

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I mean cmon, you have freaking 77 why in the world do you want to encourage action?? It seems just so terrible to me.

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