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Old 06-11-2007, 11:46 PM
juicetin juicetin is offline
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Default Re: Pocket 4s UTG

WoW man, i gotta say i appreciate the effort you must have put in. That was exactly the range i was putting him on calling with.
If you dont mind i have a lot more questions.
I normally dont push small pairs to hard but i figured in this situation even with the BB using any two cards it would still almost never be a fold. Given that you seem to weigh the prize pool so much into your formula how would the situation change if you were on the bubble or in the 10 to 18 bracket.
Also you say you would wait for a better hand. Assuming he is still calling with any two cards how strong of a hand would you be looking for,is 77 strong enough, A2s or A8o.
Is a 60/40 flip worth it considering the read i have and what if this guy doesnt have a hard on for me is this still a fold.
Most of this math is over my head at this point but is there a good place to start on this forum or anywhere else.
Thanks in advance
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Old 06-12-2007, 12:11 AM
WCGRider WCGRider is offline
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Default Re: Pocket 4s UTG

As a note, many of those questions are too vague and really are read/stack/blind/hand dependent. There is never going to be an end all answer.
In regards to the money question, the bubble into the 18 place is much less important because you only pick up 2x the buyin, whereas @ the final table, your chip equity is much much higher, so in general, i am looking to press my edges much more so around the bubble time.
It would be very beneficial to you, if you figured out how to do the calculations i did, and they are here @ 2p2 http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...umber=8517129)

I would be lying if i said that i had calculated which pp i am calling with, so you can just do the same math once you figure it out. But think about the way that your questions change the problem. If he is calling less hands, then you take down blinds more frequently, so you gain more value out of a raise.60/40 is getting to the point where we would take it, but you really need to run these numbers yourself to see all the different variations. If you want, i can help walk you through how to figure it out. Anyway, good luck.
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Old 06-13-2007, 03:34 PM
DividedSky2001 DividedSky2001 is offline
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Default Re: Pocket 4s UTG

Seems to me with the fact you got on the BB's nerve any regular "raise" 3 or 4X the BB he is most likely calling you. Pushing all in puts him to the test more, my opinion would be because you got on this guys nerves allready I'd be careful with a standard raise. My opinion is either fold or push all in on the coin flip. Only reason I say this is because the way the person at the table is acting towards you. You can also probable bet he'd call with a marginal hand. So its a tough situation regardless. But I say fold! Hard to do 4 handed though?
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