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Old 05-19-2007, 01:26 PM
chillrob chillrob is offline
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Default Re: What\'s your table image?...And is mine a problem?

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Why would you want to change your image? Your opponents are capping the action pre-flop and then checking and folding the best hand to your bets on the flop. How could it be any better than that?

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It just seems to me that my image is opposite of alot of people here. it's tight to the point of pokrlikeitsprose's image. It is an auto 3bet on alot of hands against alot of players except me, they go into check call mode or fold. A few months ago, I was playing against a regular and I raise utg with KK, he reraises me on the button, so I instareraise and he instamucks AQ. Things like that are starting me wondering if LAG is better

I just kind of wondered to the majority here who have loose aggressive images, if they work on that image, if they prefer that to a tight one, and if people like me and p.l.i.p. could earn a few more bets by giving more action

the example I gave in op worked out that time. But I had to be amazed by that and really start to think about my image after that one and if there was a better way out there for me to earn a little more.

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The suggestion I would give here if you don't want someone to fold when you reraise preflop is not to "instareraise". Probably better if you don't "insta" do anything at any point - it looks like you at least have a decision to make and your hand isn't so good that your only conceivable option is to raise.
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Old 05-19-2007, 01:40 PM
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I can sometimes go an hour between playing hands

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You sure you just have a tight image and you aren't a rock? An image is what people think of you, not the way you play your cards.

I prefer the LAG image, its more fun first of all. It's friendlier than the "quiet guy who never plays a hand" which helps me because some people softplay the "friendly guy spewing chips". I raise loudly and spew the chips into the pot (I can cut chips well but pretty much never do), I talk a lot, I make fun of people I am friendly with between hands, I say stupid things about odd showdowns, flops, etc. and oh yeah I play less hands than anyone else at the table (sometimes).

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Old 05-19-2007, 02:16 PM
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Default Re: What\'s your table image?...And is mine a problem?

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Why would you want to change your image? Your opponents are capping the action pre-flop and then checking and folding the best hand to your bets on the flop. How could it be any better than that?

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A few months ago, I was playing against a regular and I raise utg with KK, he reraises me on the button, so I instareraise and he instamucks AQ. Things like that are starting me wondering if LAG is better


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That's another great result for you. He was getting 7-1 odds to beat you with an ace, and he folded. These people seem to be completely intimidated by you and they're making terrible plays as a result.
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Old 05-19-2007, 02:34 PM
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Default Re: What\'s your table image?...And is mine a problem?

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Why would you want to change your image? Your opponents are capping the action pre-flop and then checking and folding the best hand to your bets on the flop. How could it be any better than that?

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It just seems to me that my image is opposite of alot of people here. it's tight to the point of pokrlikeitsprose's image. It is an auto 3bet on alot of hands against alot of players except me, they go into check call mode or fold. A few months ago, I was playing against a regular and I raise utg with KK, he reraises me on the button, so I instareraise and he instamucks AQ. Things like that are starting me wondering if LAG is better

I just kind of wondered to the majority here who have loose aggressive images, if they work on that image, if they prefer that to a tight one, and if people like me and p.l.i.p. could earn a few more bets by giving more action

the example I gave in op worked out that time. But I had to be amazed by that and really start to think about my image after that one and if there was a better way out there for me to earn a little more.

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I tend to agree that at the lower limit games that giving a little more action will elicit more action when you have a hand. But don't be crazy about it. Pick your spots - like anytime you have a playable hand OTB, raise or re-raise it. Or pick a hand, like 9-Ts or pocket 6s and raise 'em up. Sometimes you will hit and people will see those hands. But the point its you are raising a lot of hands so people can't put you on anything so they will just cold call all kinds of crap and it is better for you in the long run.
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Old 05-19-2007, 03:22 PM
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Default Re: What\'s your table image?...And is mine a problem?

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Why would you want to change your image? Your opponents are capping the action pre-flop and then checking and folding the best hand to your bets on the flop. How could it be any better than that?

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A few months ago, I was playing against a regular and I raise utg with KK, he reraises me on the button, so I instareraise and he instamucks AQ. Things like that are starting me wondering if LAG is better


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That's another great result for you. He was getting 7-1 odds to beat you with an ace, and he folded. These people seem to be completely intimidated by you and they're making terrible plays as a result.

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I disagree with this - wouldn't it be right to fold his AQ if he knew you had Kings? AQo only has about 28% equity vs KK, and that is only if he will chase the ace until the river if it doesn't flop. I really don't think he has the odds to call just in hopes an Ace will flop.

If the "instaraise" made him put the OP on a range of, say, AA, KK, or AK, then the AQ fold would definately be right.

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Old 05-19-2007, 04:38 PM
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Default Re: What\'s your table image?...And is mine a problem?

semi-bluff more often
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Old 05-19-2007, 05:17 PM
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Default Re: What\'s your table image?...And is mine a problem?

I used to play LAG and found good results though with high variance. Lately I've changed my strategy, I actually spend the first hour or two cultivating the tighest image possible, this allows me to shift gears later on and steal alot of pots by taking advantage of position, reads and my image.

I know I'm giving up some early opportunities but I more than make up for it with what I steal later. I frequently get people to lay down better hands because they think I've got them crushed.

This new strategy is much more profitable for me than LAG was and is also much lower varience.
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Old 05-19-2007, 06:28 PM
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Default Re: What\'s your table image?...And is mine a problem?

I like to play a mix of styles, depending on mood and table composition. Generally I'm tight enough to get those who pay attention out of a pot, but loose enough to get action when I want it. I also try to be as friendly as possible, even when I'd rather be iPodding it, play up my luck, and console those who lost, cuz yeah, gotta chase that, cards were just unlucky.
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Old 05-19-2007, 06:37 PM
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Default Re: What\'s your table image?...And is mine a problem?

Seems like a good thread to turn into Barry Horowitz. Pat away.....
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Old 05-19-2007, 08:22 PM
PokrLikeItsProse PokrLikeItsProse is offline
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Default Re: What\'s your table image?...And is mine a problem?

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I prefer the LAG image, its more fun first of all. It's friendlier than the "quiet guy who never plays a hand" which helps me because some people softplay the "friendly guy spewing chips". I raise loudly and spew the chips into the pot (I can cut chips well but pretty much never do), I talk a lot, I make fun of people I am friendly with between hands, I say stupid things about odd showdowns, flops, etc. and oh yeah I play less hands than anyone else at the table (sometimes).


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I honestly don't think I could get away with a LAG image, unless you consider Matusow-esque monkey tilt to be a useful image. Can it be?

I'm friendly. I try to talk about things like sports, the food served in the casino, and anything that anyone is talking about. But I'm not a storyteller.

It seems like I just have an aura of seriousness and intelligence about me. Even though I absolutely refuse to discuss poker strategy at the table or talk about anyone's play. Possibly partly because I refuse to say what my hole cards are if I don't have to show. I'm the guy who gets needled by the guy next to me to admit that I had aces last hand no matter how much I try to change the subject. I can pretend to be disinterested. I can pretend to be on tilt. My range doesn't extend to being able to pretend I am stupid. I can come off as weird or creepy if I choose, but not unintelligent. I've been told that I give off the Sklansky-esque condescension vibe when talking about other stuff. So I might as well let them perceive me as tighter than I actually am.

Really, though, this feels like stuff that I was planning on possibly posting on in the psychology forum.
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