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#11
05-17-2007, 11:40 AM
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Re: playing a suited connector out of position opinions?
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if the hand occurred in mtt why is it stt forum hand? [/ QUOTE ] LOL, yeah, WTF? If it's an MTT, I think limping is not bad here; I still don't prefer it and I think you'll find yourself in more trouble than not. limp/calling with suited connectors at these starting stacks should be warned against not for immediate consequences (though there are some) as much as for long term habits. Small ball is a dangerous thing at 1500 starting stacks. Anyway, CR is still the best play, IMO. 
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#12
05-17-2007, 11:43 AM
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Re: playing a suited connector out of position opinions?
Since you can openraise you should raise instead of limp.
Limp/calling vs button is bad if you dont know anything about the button. + Limp/calling is generally bad. Flop seems like a good spot to c/r + call shove or shove turn if no club falls.
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#13
05-17-2007, 11:46 AM
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Re: playing a suited connector out of position opinions?
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Since you can openraise you should raise instead of limp. Limp/calling vs button is bad if you dont know anything about the button. + Limp/calling is generally bad. Flop seems like a good spot to c/r + call shove or shove turn if no club falls. [/ QUOTE ] Depending on the table, at low buyin, the limp may be OK. You may get a multiway limped or raised pot. Raising this hand UTG at this stage is not great either. The limp may be OK, but fold to the raise HU.
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#14
05-17-2007, 12:10 PM
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Re: playing a suited connector out of position opinions?
The problem with raising with these stacks is when we come up agaisnt hands that we can stack. They RR and we can't call and the opportunity is lost. When I limp something like this from EP, I want to be raised. Calls behind are bad because we're much more more likely to put more chips in with marginal one pair hands in multiway pots.
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#15
05-17-2007, 12:10 PM
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Re: playing a suited connector out of position opinions?
ok here are the results and my reasoning (right or wrong)
1. i limp so if raised i can still see a flop. I WANT TO SEE A FLOP i dont care if its in pos or not or multi or not, bc if i catch the right flop and he has a big hand hes cooked 2. the flop is good i have the lead against big cards and 13 outs against an overpair 8 against a set. 3. leading gets no action from 50% of his holdings. so i checked. he bet the pot. i was sure he didn't set but 75% sure he had overpair. i shoved all in knowing he'll call about 70% of the time but that 30% he folds plus 42% i draw out made it a good play in my mind. 4. i won when i rivered an 8 doubled up and still busted just after the first hour....oh well 5. the buy in was $24 but id play it the same way against phil hellmuth
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#16
05-17-2007, 12:12 PM
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Re: playing a suited connector out of position opinions?
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ok here are the results and my reasoning (right or wrong) 1. i limp so if raised i can still see a flop. I WANT TO SEE A FLOP i dont care if its in pos or not or multi or not, bc if i catch the right flop and he has a big hand hes cooked 2. the flop is good i have the lead against big cards and 13 outs against an overpair 8 against a set. 3. leading gets no action from 50% of his holdings. so i checked. he bet the pot. i was sure he didn't set but 75% sure he had overpair. i shoved all in knowing he'll call about 70% of the time but that 30% he folds plus 42% i draw out made it a good play in my mind. 4. i won when i rivered an 8 doubled up and still busted just after the first hour....oh well 5. the buy in was $24 but id play it the same way against phil hellmuth [/ QUOTE ] you'll get more fold equity out of Hellmuth.
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