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Old 05-14-2007, 10:42 PM
Rush17 Rush17 is offline
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Default Re: LO/8 JJTT in Micro-Limit Game

I'm going to disregard the limits for a minute because it's very easy for making a case for almost any hand being worth .10 before the flop. And although this isn't a bad hand, by no means is it a good hand utg. As a beginner, I think you should muck all these speculative holdings and stick to the good O8 hands all in which contain an Ace (A2, A3, A23, AAxx, etc). It teaches discipline, which in this game, is so important because ALL the hands are going to look good and seem playable. It's better to play less and to observe more as you're learning O8. But whatever.

This flop is horrid for your hand. There's so many draws against your (thin) draw. Not only is there a low draw, but it's a wheel draw, which makes matters even worse. And, you have lost one of your K outs because the diamond king will bring the flush.

With that said, why are you checking this turn? No way should you be getting fancy here. Everyone's likely to call anyway and checkraising is not a good move, imo, because even though you currently hold the best hand, you have to dodge a lot of cards for your hand to hold up in this vey big field of players. If you had another strong draw to go with it, perhaps, but I'd just bet it straight out.
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Old 05-15-2007, 03:47 PM
sfgiants sfgiants is offline
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Default Re: LO/8 JJTT in Micro-Limit Game

Thank you bbartlog, chaos, heron, hls2k6, buzz, fiasco, and rush for beating some sense into me. One area of my game that needs major improvement is figuring tainted outs vs clean outs and playing accordingly.

In this hand, I lacked the discipline to look at my hand objectively rather than thinking "OMG huge pot I call!"

PS. When I was talking about low-limit players playing high hands, I meant Holdem converts overvaluuing combinations such as AK, QQ, even JJ.
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