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05-11-2007, 11:41 AM
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Re: Why Great Players Often Like My Stuff More Than Good Players
But it IS still very useful if you are a good enough player to read even pretty tough opponents. Something only great players do well
Sometime the best mechanics arent the guys that fix the problem, they are the guys at finding the problem. Your books will tell a player the best course of action to take, after the player puts the opponent on a specific hand. Knowing what the opponent holds, sometimes take more skill than knowing what action to take. 
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#12
05-11-2007, 12:11 PM
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Re: Why Great Players Often Like My Stuff More Than Good Players
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You have mostly missed the point of David's post FWIW. He is saying that his books help you know what to do once you've got a good read on a situation and therefore great players are in a better position to use the material he presents (since they read situations better). Or to put it in a different way, knowing what the correct play is in a certain situation (what his books help with) does you no good if you cannot determine that you are in that particular situation (which his books do not help with). [/ QUOTE ] Yes, I understand the explanation David offers for why his premise should be true. (The premise being that great players often like his books more than good players.) And as I explained I think his premise is completely false.
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#13
05-11-2007, 12:13 PM
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Re: Why Great Players Often Like My Stuff More Than Good Players
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Funny that David's books (reading) is a topic of discussion in this thread and yet your comprehension of his original post is so far off. [/ QUOTE ] No YOUR reading comprehension is off!!!!!1111
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#14
05-11-2007, 12:17 PM
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And as I explained I think his premise is completely false. [/ QUOTE ]Do you have evidence that the greatest players, many whom you have listed, have not read or have little regard for David's books?
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#15
05-11-2007, 12:25 PM
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Re: Why Great Players Often Like My Stuff More Than Good Players
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[ QUOTE ] And as I explained I think his premise is completely false. [/ QUOTE ]Do you have evidence that the greatest players, many whom you have listed, have not read or have little regard for David's books? [/ QUOTE ] Yes, I have right here signed affidavits from the 20 winningest players... Um, no. I don't have 'evidence'. However I have read specific quotes from some of the great/supposedly great that they have never read any poker books (Ivey and Benyamine off the top of my head). I believe Barry G. on 2+2 expressed a similar lack of interest in poker books. Others I am virtually certain based on common sense likely haven't read any 2+2 books at all. Chau, Doyle, Chip. Many others from the Internet generation I know for a fact do not feel they have gotten much from 2+2 books, if they have read any at all. Trust me, I'm right on this one. Like I said before I'm not bashing 2+2 books, just DS's absurdly exaggerations.
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05-11-2007, 12:29 PM
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However I have read specific quotes from some of the great/supposedly great that they have never read any poker books (Ivey and Benyamine off the top of my head) [/ QUOTE ] Sorry but you are wrong about Phil Ivey. I have a DVD where he admits to reading poker books and recommends poker books to beginning players.
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#17
05-11-2007, 12:30 PM
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Re: Why Great Players Often Like My Stuff More Than Good Players
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The younger generation great players like Ivey or Rugby or any random tough internet pro either have not read 2+2 books at all, or learned far more from experience and discussion with other pros. [/ QUOTE ] Srugby says he read every poker book in Borders.....and he has 2173 posts on 2 + 2.
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#18
05-11-2007, 12:33 PM
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Re: Why Great Players Often Like My Stuff More Than Good Players
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[ QUOTE ] The younger generation great players like Ivey or Rugby or any random tough internet pro either have not read 2+2 books at all, or learned far more from experience and discussion with other pros. [/ QUOTE ] Srugby says he read every poker book in Borders.....and he has 2173 posts on 2 + 2. [/ QUOTE ] Good thing I added that second clause.
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#19
05-11-2007, 12:34 PM
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Re: Why Great Players Often Like My Stuff More Than Good Players
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[ QUOTE ] Funny that David's books (reading) is a topic of discussion in this thread and yet your comprehension of his original post is so far off. [/ QUOTE ] No YOUR reading comprehension is off!!!!!1111 [/ QUOTE ] Nice comeback. HU Razz for rolls?
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#20
05-11-2007, 12:34 PM
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Trust me, I'm right on this one. [/ QUOTE ]Sorry, I don't. I put a little more trust that David, who has known and played with top pros longer than most of us have even been in this game, has pretty good idea of how his works are regarded by them. Not that it matters to me one way or the other. His books have certainly made ME a better player, though I understand the limitations of them and that what they teach is only part of the puzzle.
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