Three of a Kind

[muddydog]

"He puts you on a two after your flop call, has you whipped and extracts your stack with his 77."

You are saying the villian will have a 77 every time here? Just want to make sure I understand that you are saying his range is precisely 77 here.

[muddydog]

"What's his aggression on flop in general? If he's a solid TAG, he might have you dominated or flopped full"

Don't have the stats right in front of me but typical winning TAG stats if I remember right.

"I don't encounter overbets like this often either, it's probably either a hand trying to protect itself or a bluff. Then by turn I doubt he's bluffing that much, so its prolly a hand trying to protect itself like the small overpair/top pair. If he's real aggro you might see overcards+FD or NFD."

Knowing TAG stats you still think that's the case or is this most often whipping me?

"Play looks fine to me, dunno if I would've check/shoved turn because I don't want to fold out top pair, so calling down looks good."

Yeah I thought I might be getting killed but shoving makes no sense to me, I might be folding out worse hands and probably am not getting anything I beat to fold.

[jmgambler]

My real fear here is another 2 (A2s?) or a 77 .... OTB he would surely raise here with an overpair.

given the way its gone, What am I beating...... He just HAS to put you on a 2 here coming from the BB, and Yet, it makes not one bit of difference to him *sigh*


Problem is after calling the turn, your committed really to call the half pot bet....... 90% of the time I think you will see A2s here

[kitchma]

I think the cliche holds true: don't go broke in an unraised pot. This guy could have limped an overpair, but aren't you screaming that you have a 2? I think he has a better 2 here. I would have hated it but, call flop, fold turn.

[C4LL4W4Y]

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3 bet shove OTT...You will see an overpair,7x and a FD often enough to be +EV..The only hand I fear here is a better 2(A2s)...

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I don't know about an overpair, but there are a lot of potential FDs or 87s-like hands he can have that I think make it +ev. If he has 77 or A2s, tough luck.

[muddydog]

"I think the cliche holds true: don't go broke in an unraised pot. This guy could have limped an overpair, but aren't you screaming that you have a 2? I think he has a better 2 here. I would have hated it but, call flop, fold turn."

That's what I hate about this hand, I'm out of position and basically announcing I have a 2. But I don't see any other way to play it unless I can put them on exactly 77, but anything that's beating me has me at their mercy. You really see a TAG limping with a 2 on the button? They'd at least raise to try to steal I would think, what good is limping with a two?

Is this a case of reverse implied odds where you just lay it down? How often will an overpair like KK AA JJ QQ just limp from the button? Not very often at these limits from a TAG. If not, that leaves maybe 10 10 and 9 9 as hands? Would they play it this aggressively? Would a flush draw play this aggressively with an ace in their hand? I'm just asking because I don't really know how often that would happen, I'd say rarely. I'm trying to figure out if you put an opponent on specifically a flopped set here given how the action goes down.