$20 TT UTG field of limpers followed by a raise from the blinds

[holdem17]

Only read on villain is that he has been limping a lot of mediocre hands and has been playing poorly but getting lucky.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t30/t60
9 players
Converter


Stack sizes:
Hero: t1585
UTG+1: t1620
MP1: t965
MP2: t1270
MP3: t1530
CO: t1300
Button: t1180
SB: t2355
BB: t1695


Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG with Ts Th
Hero calls t60 (pot was t90), 2 folds, MP2 calls t60 (pot was t150), MP3 folds, CO calls t60 (pot was t210), Button calls t60 (pot was t270), SB raises to t420, BB folds, Hero raises all-in t1585

What do you think of this shove?

[mmorpg]

I prefer folding

[Collin Moshman]

Hi holdem17,

First, I would normally raise to 180 or so pre-flop, although limping is certainly not unreasonable.

Second, I think a passive player making a large raise from the small blind usually indicates genuine strength. Plus he may consider his raise pot-committing even if he has a weaker holding. Therefore you will not have much fold equity when you shove.

So the majority of the time you will be going to showdown for all your chips with only 240 in dead money to pad the pot. And my guess is that averaging out Villain's possible holdings, you will be even money or a bit worse in the long run. (Speaking from a cEV perspective.)

So I would suggest declining to play this hand so early in the SNG.

Best Regards,
Collin

[CheeseMoney]

I am assuming by declining to play this hand, you mean fold to the big raise? Or are you saying that he limp/fold to the raise.

FWIW, I probably limp/fold or make a 2.5BB pfr and fold to his push if he does so.

[BeattysLuck]

I dont mind limping here. Id fold to SB raise though.

[morny]

Limping is bad UTG you have a strong hand, now SB is making a standard 3x raise +1 per limper, Your probably racing here and its not always a good idea to get into a race so early but i dont think this raise is neccessarily of great strength.

Hes going to be getting good odds to call so as someone said you dont have much folding equity but if you raised preflop and someone came over the top then you can narrow their range but with so many limpers the SB could be making a standard raise and trying to steal blind or he could have a monster.

So i can find a fold here because you dont know where you stand and theres still 3 to act but a standard 3-4x raise would have been better and the only time im limping under the gun is if i have AA or KK and i know theres an aggressive player acting after me, i can then RR him when he does. Otherwise never limp UTG and especially not with TT