Beatable Game?? - Page 2

Hielko · #11 03-31-2007, 05:13 PM

I play a 10/20 game with 5% rake up to 15 euro (that's close to 20$...). It's very beatable, so 8/16 with a 6$ could be beatable, but it's depending of the skill of the other players.

Bob T. · #12 03-31-2007, 06:29 PM

You forgot the one hand an hour, where you steal the blinds.

You also don't understand how bad the worst 8-16 players are. There are probably players who are going to lose enough to pay for the rake for the entire table, and if you have a couple more donaters, there probably is enough money at risk on the table, that you can make a big bet an hour, if you play well enough.

Do you play online? Can you beat 2-4 online? If so, you probably can beat 8-16 live.

I almost suspect that because you aren't sure that the game is beatable, it probably isn't for you.

icepick · #13 03-31-2007, 07:08 PM

The Canterbury 8/16 is a gold mine, and is plenty beatable.

But it can be a wild ride, so play TAG and don't tilt.

And always play with 3+ Asians if you can.

daveT · #14 03-31-2007, 08:30 PM

It's beatable, end of discussion.

If we all were able to beat 2/4 and the california drop was 3+1 (pot size irrelevant) you can most certaintly beat this game.

Captain R · #15 04-01-2007, 01:48 AM

My local 8-16 game at $5+$1 rake I was beating for $6/hour. I am by no means the world's best player, so yeah, I think your game is beatable for probably $4+/hour assuming you win 2 pots an hour or whatever and you at least play as well as I do.

Sparks · #16 04-01-2007, 03:08 AM

8-16 is generally beatable. Don't over analyze it though, since it's a pretty straight forward calculation. If you're a decent player you should be able to make 1BB/hr and if you're good, you can make two. You can't make 2BB/hr at higher stakes, but at 8-16 you can. So that's $32/hr. And at that win rate, you should be winning between 3 and 4 pots per hour, costing about $20/hr. And there you are.

Note that if you CAN beat the game for 2BB/hr, then you should move up in stakes, because the drop is the same at 10, 15 and 20 games, and although the players will be better up to say 20-40, they're not THAT much better.

Play until you can beat the game, then move up, whether it takes 2 months, or two years.

Oh, and ignore anyone who talks about bad players "giving you beats" and "bigger swings" and other such nonsense. Bad players are always good for your win rate.

HOWMANY · #17 04-01-2007, 03:17 AM

Yes, easily.

MitchL · #18 04-01-2007, 03:46 AM

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8-16 is generally beatable. Don't over analyze it though, since it's a pretty straight forward calculation. If you're a decent player you should be able to make 1BB/hr and if you're good, you can make two. You can't make 2BB/hr at higher stakes, but at 8-16 you can. So that's $32/hr. And at that win rate, you should be winning between 3 and 4 pots per hour, costing about $20/hr. And there you are.

Note that if you CAN beat the game for 2BB/hr, then you should move up in stakes, because the drop is the same at 10, 15 and 20 games, and although the players will be better up to say 20-40, they're not THAT much better.

Play until you can beat the game, then move up, whether it takes 2 months, or two years.

Oh, and ignore anyone who talks about bad players "giving you beats" and " bigger swings " and other such nonsense. Bad players are always good for your win rate.

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Of course this is true but "swinginess" is not to be ignored. Unless you have played in the Canterbury 8/16 then you honestly have no idea what is in store. Its generally a game of maniacs, and it is always super loose. Though its good for your winrate if you do not go in prepared to take some ridiculous beats you will tilt off alot of money. I only add that caveat, bc honestly people are stunned at how loose it is compared to other 8/16, 9/18, and 10/20 games around the country.

private joker · #19 04-01-2007, 06:14 AM

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8-16 is generally beatable. Don't over analyze it though, since it's a pretty straight forward calculation. If you're a decent player you should be able to make 1BB/hr and if you're good, you can make two. You can't make 2BB/hr at higher stakes, but at 8-16 you can. So that's $32/hr. And at that win rate, you should be winning between 3 and 4 pots per hour, costing about $20/hr. And there you are.

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I think 8/16 is beatable for $32/hr INCLUDING the rake. At least the games in L.A. are, and I have the stats to prove it. (Actually, my winrate lifetime is $37.27 -- mostly Bike & Hawaiian Gardens, with some Normandie, Wynn, and Bellagio too -- and L.A. games took $4 out of the pot when I was playing, $5 now).

Abbaddabba · #20 04-01-2007, 07:40 AM

I know in some underground cardrooms the rake is 10% max 10 at their 1/2NL games. Clearly that is unbeatable. Ive seen other places that have 5/5NL with 10% no-[censored]-cap rake. That is unbeatable.

What you're describing is quite beatable depending on the table conditions.

Somewhere in between those two rake structure lies the point where a game makes the transition from just barely beatable to unbeatable. But there's no way for anyone to know... because we cant quantify their badness, and we dont know how you play.