c-bets and the gap concept

[GREEKTOWNFOX]

it is quite simpler then it appears if you do not cont bet at least some of your misses then you have no hope of geeting the calls you need to make a profit on your good flops

[chicheebee]

that's all fine, but surely none of these arguments require you to be the preflop raiser. by the same logic, you could argue that if you call a preflop raise by someone with a fairly wide range, you should lead out on any flop, regardless of whether it's helped you or not, because they'll usually have missed the flop and have to fold

[4CardStraight]

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that's all fine, but surely none of these arguments require you to be the preflop raiser. by the same logic, you could argue that if you call a preflop raise by someone with a fairly wide range, you should lead out on any flop, regardless of whether it's helped you or not, because they'll usually have missed the flop and have to fold

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How interesting. This is something many others have thought of as well. Early position is the new late position in turbos, others have said. The right to first bluff! Yes I think its a fair argument that at a table of tight aggressive players it makes sense to bet the flop regardless of wether you were the preflop raiser. Often a call from the small blind and leading the flop is quite effective. Imagine a preflop raiser raising AQ or 88 from MP, and the flop is K96, you call from the SB with AJo (a loose call) and fire at this pot. There is a high degree of success here. regardless of the preflop raisers position in the rest of the hand, their perception is that you made a call out of position, and are firing a dryish flop out of position into the preflop raiser, thus they probably fold AQ or 88 just as often as the earlier example.

It is however more risky, as when you lead out of position in this spot, if your opponent has AK or something, you will at least be called or possibly raised and in a bad spot, due to your ugly position.

At a table full of tight players, though, it is often best to fire at the flop. Cbets get believed from the preflop raiser because they raised preflop and are betting again after the flop, they must have real cards. They get believed out of position because you called oop, and are betting oop into the raiser. Just more reasons why being aggressive is a generally good thing.

[abcjnich]

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The continuation bet itself isn't necessarily profitable. However, as part of your overall strategy, your mix of continuation bets and value bets should be, if you are a winning player. Your continuation bets should provide more value for your value bets, and your value bets should provide higher folding equity for you continuation bets.

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True, but how about situations when it's highly unlikely you'll never see the opponents again, say you are on a trip to Vegas and play for a few hours against strangers. Say you raise AK on the button and get one caller, who looks like a calling station. You miss the flop completely and it's checked to you. You think he'll call any pair or any draw. Is there a reason to bet here?

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Yes, you do C-bet sometimes, esp. if the guy will just call with one pair. This is an example of game theory. If you don't know game theory, basically you want a good ratio of betting w/ good hands and betting w/ bad hands in order to make it unprofitable for your opp's to call, while making it the most profitbale for you.

[Godson]

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The continuation bet itself isn't necessarily profitable. However, as part of your overall strategy, your mix of continuation bets and value bets should be, if you are a winning player. Your continuation bets should provide more value for your value bets, and your value bets should provide higher folding equity for you continuation bets.

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