Spew or Sexy: You decide! - Page 2

James00 · #11 03-21-2007, 04:33 PM

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AK isn't a large part of his range here at all, 2+2er prob RR pf ak quite a bit. This bet tells me he has one of three things: the goods (pay me!), a flush draw(slow down!) or a mid pair(do you have AA?). Also this play helps you get paid off more when you actually have AA if you show down.

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good post. Agree with everything you wrote.

MasterLJ · #12 03-21-2007, 04:38 PM

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ZOMG spew.

If you have AK here, it's slightly better since you have some real equity against opponent's range.

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AK isn't a large part of his range here at all, 2+2er prob RR pf ak quite a bit. This bet tells me he has one of three things: the goods (pay me!), a flush draw(slow down!) or a mid pair(do you have AA?). Also this play helps you get paid off more when you actually have AA if you show down. So... I like

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I said I like this move better if Hero has AK, then he has real equity vs opponent's range (pp from 77-QQ).

I've noticed a lot lately that successful bluffing is a combination of outs + reads. This means if I had a super read against opponent on a similar flop, but I hold 22, I'd be less inclined to bluff, since if I get called I'm drawing to 2 outs.

JonnyCosMo · #13 03-21-2007, 04:41 PM

I tried a similar move vs a donk heads up in position w/ AJ on a 8-4-4 board. He called my shove w/ 55. Conclusion: Make sure you know who your trying to fold out at NL200...

James00 · #14 03-21-2007, 04:41 PM

Pretty much every 2p2 will repop JJ+, AQ+. So saying I do better against his range w/ AK is ridiculous. Only exception might be AQdd that he did not 3bet preflop, but thats all I can think of.

James00 · #15 03-21-2007, 04:42 PM

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I tried a similar move vs a donk heads up in position w/ AJ on a 8-4-4 board. He called my shove w/ 55. Conclusion: Make sure you know who your trying to fold out at NL200...

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Notice I said 2p2er. Against a donk this is horrible for obvious reasons.

MasterLJ · #16 03-21-2007, 04:45 PM

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Pretty much every 2p2 will repop JJ+, AQ+. So saying I do better against his range w/ AK is ridiculous. Only exception might be AQdd that he did not 3bet preflop, but thats all I can think of.

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You don't see that we are saying the same thing?

Try this out:

If villain has JJ, how many outs do you have?
If villain has QQ, how many outs do you have?
If villain has KK, how many outs do you have?
If villain ahs AA, how many outs do you have?

Give yourself AK and repeat the exercise. Which fairs better, and why?

Bluffing profit is a function of bluff success + equity if you get called. Maximizing both is ideal.

James00 · #17 03-21-2007, 04:51 PM

Obviously AK fairs better but he rarely rarely rarely has JJ/QQ/KK/AA here so the question you are asking is irrelevant and the concepts you are explaining are so elementary and wrongly applied that you are making my head hurt.

I think I fair well against his range, since hes folding a lot of bluffs/fd's/most pps/etc. when I come over the top. No offense, but I dont feel like replying to you anymore MasterLJ.

Weaktite77 · #18 03-21-2007, 05:29 PM

first of all if villian is capable of making this move on this flop, why are you betting it? this is a classic bluff board. this all in is very dependent on what his range is. how often is he doing this with air vs set/boat or flush draw and how often is he willing to call with just a pair or even AK. if you think he is willing to fold a pair then meh.... buuut your prolly going to loose your stack too often here.

ikestoys · #19 03-21-2007, 05:46 PM

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Pretty much every 2p2 will repop JJ+, AQ+. So saying I do better against his range w/ AK is ridiculous. Only exception might be AQdd that he did not 3bet preflop, but thats all I can think of.

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You don't see that we are saying the same thing?

Try this out:

If villain has JJ, how many outs do you have?
If villain has QQ, how many outs do you have?
If villain has KK, how many outs do you have?
If villain ahs AA, how many outs do you have?

Give yourself AK and repeat the exercise. Which fairs better, and why?

Bluffing profit is a function of bluff success + equity if you get called. Maximizing both is ideal.

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We see what you are saying, but JJ+ is not a part of his range here IMO

MasterLJ · #20 03-21-2007, 05:47 PM

If his range is that defined, then this is an easy easy place to bluff with lots of equity for times that he decides to call.