StudHi Great 4th street...now what?? - Page 2

Micturition Man · #11 03-09-2007, 10:27 PM

I have never played a stud high game this loose before but I don't think it's at all clear that you can play for trips on 3rd street.

You realize you're about a 20:1 dog to make trips on 4th right?

I'm not saying you should fold, as it seems like you have the best hand on 3rd and you do have other outs (to two pair or just just catching an overcard).

I just don't see that you can call a completion with a buried pair specifically for your trips value.

I could be wrong though... it all comes down to implied odds and I have no idea how good they are in a game like this.

Sevenfold · #12 03-10-2007, 03:09 AM

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bet the river.

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Am I calling a raise then? Im struggling to find hands that I am better than that would raise my river bet at this point.

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Look at it this way, since you would be getting about 20-1, I don't think you can bet/fold here, and yes, getting raised would suck.

But, what you are really laying here is 2-1 on the river bet. For every two times you are called, you break even by calling a raise the third time. You are for sure getting called by the Qs, and maybe in both spots. Qs are dead, hearts are dead, It is a great spot to bet.

So really, you could bet your hand and call a raise even if you knew you were beat 100% of the time when raised, and still show a profit on the bet.

Bet knowing you are a big fav. Call every time you are raised. (Unless you have a player listed as very tight.)

JBlixt · #13 03-10-2007, 06:08 AM

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Trips tens are not a very strong hand so I would play it somewhat careful.

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I realize that my answer was very comfusing. I ment on the river. Sense i belive that the most likely holding for the player at seat 8 who seems a bit crazy are that he has both a straight draw and maybe some kind of longshot to a flush. When you come to the river i belive that a medium trip is about an avarege winning hand. So therefore i mean play it safe at the river.

Maybe you can get called by the queens having nothing else, but I wouldnt play them myself and therefore i wouldnt count on them.

After 4th street play them as hard as you can to protect them because by then they are a monster.

I would so to speek play the hand pretty much the same way as our Hero did. But like i Said i might take the chance to put in an extra bet at the 3rd street, whick i believe could help me later on in the hand. But maybe this board are so loose so you would just helping them getting the odds instead.

SweetLuckyMe · #14 03-10-2007, 07:04 AM

It's a very marginal call on 3rd.

Once you catch the 3rd ten, don't get cute - start hammering immediately - you'll get paid off at 1/2. The river is a clear value bet.

Poker CPA · #15 03-10-2007, 08:36 AM

Bear the check is fine. A bet here is going to fold at least one hand, maybe two. The Qs are on a draw and I think the BI is also, because he really slowed down. So you're risking 1 BB and could get nothing. This is not a value bet.

Poker CPA · #16 03-10-2007, 08:53 AM

Also Bear, a BI completion does not scream "BIG HAND". It means something, but not "Big Hand". With Aces and Jacks out,and a Q, its not a marginal call on 3rd (in fact maybe a raise). With this ante you got MAX value. Well played.

Andy B · #17 03-10-2007, 02:12 PM

Not knowing anything about the bring-in, I think calling third is fine. If he's a decent player, I'd probably fold. He's not going to have a three-flush--he'd have a pocket pair larger than your Tens. If the bring-in were me, I'd most likely have QQ or AA down. Raising when three people are already in for a full bet would be less than optimal. You wouldn't get it heads-up, and I'm not looking to play a big pot with TT.

Fourth is a little weird but fine. You do kinda tip your hand, but this is $1/2 and you got people to come along for the ride anyway. I would probably have called along on fourth (maybe it gets capped anyway) and then raised fifth.

Fifth and sixth are good. I think the river is a very clear value bet. I guess it's possible that either of these guys are on a draw, but I think two pair is pretty likely for either of them, and they're going to pay off with that.

*TT* · #18 03-10-2007, 03:59 PM

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Not knowing anything about the bring-in, I think calling third is fine. If he's a decent player, I'd probably fold. He's not going to have a three-flush--he'd have a pocket pair larger than your Tens. If the bring-in were me, I'd most likely have QQ or AA down. Raising when three people are already in for a full bet would be less than optimal. You wouldn't get it heads-up, and I'm not looking to play a big pot with TT

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Andy - your forgetting that a J (likely dead) and an Awith the lone suit are left to act? I find this to be an easy 3rd street muck - am I wrong (Stud hi isn't my best 7 card game).

VALUE BET 7th STREET FIOR GOD SAKES! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Andy B · #19 03-10-2007, 04:02 PM

Folding third can't be that far wrong. Aces and Jacks are both dead, so I don't think calling with TT is bad.

Especially since the Ten was coming. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

*TT* · #20 03-10-2007, 04:04 PM

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Folding third can't be that far wrong. Aces and Jacks are both dead, so I don't think calling with TT is bad.

Especially since the Ten was coming. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Obviously the OP is better are catching a 2 outer than I am [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

I didnt notice the second A, thanks. It makes it a call for me too.