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Old 03-08-2007, 08:02 PM
Grease Grease is offline
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Default Re: Preflop live: QQ in SB

I definitely raise this; you have too much equity not to. Go ahead and collect while you're ahead (no pun intended.)

I would rethink your friend being "TAG".
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Old 03-09-2007, 02:31 AM
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Default Re: Preflop live: QQ in SB

as long as you have a positive ev you raise. QQ is a must raise.

other clear raisers are AA, KK, JJ, TT, AK, AKS, AQS, AJS, ATs, KJs, KQs, and there are others too. that is a short list of hand to raise with.

you either have a big pair, or a hand that plays well multiway on my above list. you certainly have a much better then 1 in 6 chance of winning with those hands, therefore, you raise.
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Old 03-09-2007, 02:33 AM
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Default Re: Preflop live: QQ in SB

read ssh it will be very helpful.
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Old 03-09-2007, 02:35 AM
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Default Re: Preflop live: QQ in SB

if that many players are in the pot, many are not thinking players. they don't all have "reasonable" hands. punish the limpers. punish the trash they play.
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Old 03-09-2007, 06:48 AM
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Default Re: Preflop live: QQ in SB

I never really take any of the poker advice people give me at the table.
I do say 'yeh, i see...' thoughtfully and stroke my chin like they have offered me deep piece of wisdom. Let them tell you how they play and think is +ev.
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Old 03-09-2007, 10:16 AM
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Default Re: Preflop live: QQ in SB

I've read SSH and HE for adv players. I think my main concern there, was that I'm dealing with some tricky regulars and my preflop raising range from the SB and BB are pretty tight for that many callers. My only real uneasiness was with defining my hand preflop fairly clearly.

I've been trying to widen my PFR range for the blinds beyond the TT+ and AQs+, but whenever I do, it seems like a leak.
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Old 03-09-2007, 10:45 AM
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Default Re: Preflop live: QQ in SB

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Afterward, TAG who I'm friendly with comments on how it's a marginally bad play since I'm advertising my hand to tricky players and bloating a pot for fish to draw to.

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All fish I have played with are drawing on both the flop and the turn to gutshot straights without raises pre-flop... They also play bottom and middle pair the same way. I think your TAG friend is wrong by a wide margin. You are making it profitable for players like him to draw on the flop and maybe the turn. Otherwise you are building a big pot where you have the best hand (35%-40% winner against 5 or 6). You will only win 1 of 3 or so but that is true whether you raise or not.
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Old 03-09-2007, 11:58 AM
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Default Re: Preflop live: QQ in SB

i don't understand what your trying to write. if your concern if that 2 tricky opponents limped, it doesn't matter when you have either the 3ed or 4th best limit hold em hand there is. if your worried about defining your hand i am really lost. that many players in any pot shows me that many are clueless. what types of hands do most have? the answer with so many in a pot is unusal and poor hands. collecting 6 extra bets pre flop is worth any possible reason not to raise. if you raise, do you think your clueless opponents "say oh he has a big pair". i doubt it. your raise can be made correctly with a wide variety of hands. if you are considerating not rasing here the i think you should step down in limits and do more work on your game. letting people take the flop for one bet, or even considerating it, is very incorrect. good luck.
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Old 03-09-2007, 01:22 PM
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Default Re: Preflop live: QQ in SB

I guess raising is fine, its just a tough hand to play from the lead over so many flops. It has been so long since I have played this game type that my head hurts thinking about it.

The Nit in my doesnt like creating a huge pot preflop with QQ here peflop.

If you smooth call where do you think the first bet is going to come from when the board is T82? That's kind of important.
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