Not raising Big pairs PF

[BrandiHawbaked]

Why is it that some good BB players do not raise with their AA & KK on the on the big blind when everybody limped in?

[Yoshi63]

I don't care if my opponents figure out that I will NEVER limp with JJ-AA. I'm betting these hand PF 100% of the time. It is quite rare that a situation arises where I really wish i'd disguised my big PP, or even a situation where I limped PF and want to pretend I have a big PP.

98% of the people who limp with big PP are the same people who overplay these hands post-flop.

[HoneyBadger]

Let me put it differently. On a very tight table, where an UTG raise will get the respect it (most often does not) deserves and limpers are isolation raised relentlessly, it can be correct to limp aces and maybe even kings a certain fraction of the time.

[Yoshi63]

Actually, I might do what Badger described a portion of the time. But as soon as someone isolation raises me, I don't care about slowplaying anymore, I'm insta-3-popping this sucker pre-flop. I want chips in the pot, right now. Agree?

Edit: In my PT stats, it says under pre-flop stats, that only 1 time have I ever bet/called then raised. I think that 1 time was when I limped with a high PP then 3-bet the raise.

[HoneyBadger]

Yes, altough the tricky part here is that if you limp-3bet with AA you must also limp-3bet with other hands; balanced range and all. Do you? I don't. But the lesson taught and learned is usually "stop isolation raising me biatch" [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[ChuckyB]

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Why is it that some good BB players do not raise with their AA & KK on the on the big blind when everybody limped in?

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1) They're not as good as you think.
2) Something about the limpers makes them think they will make more on future rounds if they don't raise.
3) This is the one chink in their armour.

Good players don't pass up huge amounts of equity like this. Not at small stakes. In bigger games with knowledgable opponents, I don't know. But not down here with the fishies.


Big pairs have to be raised pre-flop. It doesn't matter if you're doing the raising or you let someone else do it (limp/cap...whatever). They need to be raised.

[BrandiHawbaked]

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Why is it that some good BB players do not raise with their AA & KK on the on the big blind when everybody limped in?

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1) They're not as good as you think.
2) Something about the limpers makes them think they will make more on future rounds if they don't raise.
3) This is the one chink in their armour.

Good players don't pass up huge amounts of equity like this. Not at small stakes. In bigger games with knowledgable opponents, I don't know. But not down here with the fishies.


Big pairs have to be raised pre-flop. It doesn't matter if you're doing the raising or you let someone else do it (limp/cap...whatever). They need to be raised.

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Sorry mypost is not so clear, what I'm trying to say is that these good players dont raise the pot when on big blinds on a family pot meaning everybody is in. They do however raise it on the big blind when its not a family pot.

[Frond]

Another additonal point to raising big pairs PF, I am pretty tight playing low limits or any game for that matter and big hands don't come along a lot so I want to get as much $ in PF as possible. It can mean winning a lot more BBs in pots you do win and in the ones you don't hit it is merely a few more bets. I'll take a few big pots over losing a some bets here and there any day.

As for a tight low LHE table, there was one? Live, I have yet to see a table up to 4/8 that is very tight at all.

[Cactus Jack]

Not raising big pairs PF is a mistake. You raise big pairs PF. The difference is your profit.

Profit comes from subtracting their mistakes from the times you don't make mistakes. If they are limping big pairs and they hold up, the make less money from you than you make when you raise them and they chase and don't hit.

We are making a huge mistake when we let the bad play of bad players influence us into playing badly as well. We loosen up too much, call too much, pay off too often and get involved in situations where we throw off chips that are very hard to get back. Limit is a game of exploiting small edges. When we give up small edges, we're losing.

Simple as that.

[Tumez]

What about tight and agressive games? I´m sometimes limping AA from EP. Sometimes KK also, but never less. I play at online and those games even in 5-10$ are sometimes pretty tight. I never limp these if there is a bad/loose player/s in the ring. But if there is only good, generally tight players in the ring. Is it okay to limp then when you fear that your raise gets you only the blinds? And if you limp, somebody will isolation raise you with KJos, but he will fold that if you raise. So is it okay to sometimes limp with these in tough game? And if it is, how often?