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#13
02-20-2007, 05:36 AM
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Re: how long before PS UB and FT drop?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] gaboonviper is starting to look like a troll with all of this. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Starting might not be the most appropriate word [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] 
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#14
02-20-2007, 08:20 AM
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Re: how long before PS UB and FT drop?
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the sky is not falling [/ QUOTE ] Actually it is falling - anybody with a brain can see that and only the people that are blind with hope do not see it. As Bill Rini says - go smoke your Big Fat Joint of Hope but things are NOT well in the poker world. If you have not noticed it the poker rooms in LV are almost empty now and the fish are becoming less and less as they go belly up and there is no EASY way to reload. I WANT a Big Fat Joint of Hope but saying everything is all right is just lunacy.
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#15
02-20-2007, 09:46 AM
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Re: how long before PS UB and FT drop?
Doyles room is folding b/c they arent big enough to stand alone. Look at Negreanus site. It is attempting to stand alone though im not sure it will. Doyle lost its network and had time to find a new one but didnt. Some of the others left but they werent worthwhile anyways.
The only site of real worth to leave is Party...The others dont have any real reason to leave do they? I doubt they had or have any plans to visit america anytime soon
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#16
02-20-2007, 10:09 AM
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Re: how long before PS UB and FT drop?
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Again you can speculate and make all the predictions you want like lawmangaboontroll has been doing, or you can just wait until the fall and see how it stands. [/ QUOTE ] Interesting choice of words. Do you mean fall as in the season or as in the fall of Rome?
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#17
02-20-2007, 10:19 AM
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Re: how long before PS UB and FT drop?
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What's the point in speculating? [/ QUOTE ] What's the point in guessing what your opponent has? What's the point of ever considering the future? The point of speculating is that via making educated guesses about the future you can attempt to adapt and position yourself either for the least harm or the greatest benefit. I don't agree with people like gaboonviper and that should come to some of you as a surprise since the guy has ripped off several of my posts on my blog and poorly restated my arguments in threads here. He's a troll in the sense that few of his posts are actually his own original thoughts so he poorly defends them and has no ability to offer a reasoned debate. The OP is right though. People like me have been right, right from the beginning. I don't mean that to brag. I say that because I didn't get all emotional about it and let myself get caught in a state of denial or in a state of panic. I took what facts I could gather and made some educated guesses about the future. Some of those guesses saved me a ton of money that would otherwise be locked up at Neteller. I didn't panic. I didn't make rash decisions. I made careful decisions. These are risky times to be doing what we do. To ignore that fact with arguments which assume speculation is pointless or that waiting is the best policy seem to add a lot more risk.
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#18
02-20-2007, 10:27 AM
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Re: how long before PS UB and FT drop?
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Also note that the sites you mention have taken a contrary legal interpretation than the DoJ likely takes of the IUGEA, or they don't care. It doesn't matter which, and nothing has changed to alter that. If they were willing to take the risk immediately after passage they still are now. The only thing that will give them a big incentive to leave the US market is the new regs coming out and being a lot more effective than they think or seems likely, which might make the attendant legal risk not worth the reward. [/ QUOTE ] Is that why Full Tilt sent out an email this morning with the following: [ QUOTE ] Although many legal scholars would argue that online poker should not be affected by the UIGEA, we believe the law's lack of clarity can only harm the game unless an express exemption is granted under the UIGEA. You should be outraged that, in a rush to passage, poker did not receive the objective review it deserves, and did not already get this express exemption while lotteries, horse racing, and fantasy sports were all given free passes. We demand that Congress address this grievous oversight now. [/ QUOTE ] It sure as hell seems they now think that the law needs to have an express carve out otherwise the game will be harmed. That's not the stance they took in Oct when they calimed that they felt the law didn't even apply to online poker. In case you forgot, this is what they said in Oct [ QUOTE ] Furthermore, we firmly believe that online poker is not encompassed by this new legislation. In any event, we will continue to lobby for an express carve-out for online poker and for your right to play a truly American game from the privacy of your own home and computer. [/ QUOTE ]
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#19
02-20-2007, 10:44 AM
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Over/under lines on FTP, PStars, WPEX, Absolute/UB
FTP , the earlier of July 15 or a threatened indictment of one or more principals, likely when they show up for the 1st day of the WSOP..... best guess July 6 (?).
PStars, July 15, or earlier ... depending upon their non-US volume. WPEX, never .... they are already under indictments for sports, so wtf would they care ? Absolute, never, as they seem to be built along the sportsbook mentality.
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#20
02-20-2007, 10:47 AM
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Re: how long before PS UB and FT drop?
They hear footsteps. now that they have become the tallest weed in the poker garden ... that's all.
It WOULD be nice if they showed up effectively on the Hill an got an exemption passed .... wishful thinking, though.
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