30/60 Bellagio AJs Take 2

[Nate tha\\\' Great]

It's not so much that 3-betting the turn is bad but raising the river is usually better.

[swede554]

I think you got to pay off here if you're beat. Most of the time you will be, but since you only have to be good once every 14 times to break even this is a call.

[thirddan]

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It's not so much that 3-betting the turn is bad but raising the river is usually better.

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i did consider a line like callign the turn raise and raising the river (hopefully allowing us to fold to a reraise, something we can't do on the turn)...but i think that with the board being all low card a lot of players might raise the turn and then check the river if a scare card comes off...

[thirddan]

another reason i like 3betting the turn is that the read on villain is that she is on cloud nine thinking her [censored] dont stink and all her hands are golden, this should bring her to call down weaker than most players might...it also might make her put in more action than her hand actually warrants...

[dcb777]

Although this is true. She will most likely bet the river with any A, and like Nate suggested hero could raise here letting her continue her bluff if thats the case on the turn(as Joker had said while we are still getting max value from the hand if she did have an ace). In addition waiting for the river to raise has an added value if she had a real hand like a flush she would be unlikely to jam us back on the river fearing a full house. On the turn she can 4 bet a flush.

[JadeLane]

The flush didn't fill until the river. 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

[dcb777]

oops

[Nate tha\\\' Great]

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Even so, waiting until the river can save you a bet if the flush card hits, since you probably no longer have a profitable raise.

[cgrohman]

Call and don't think twice.

[cgrohman]

If this is th eplayer I think it is, she might very well call with a dry 8. Or King High. Or a 7 and a card she can't remember.