sleeping pills

[Skipbidder]

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I think he said over the counter, but if you have a doc writing prescriptions, seroquel is the only way to go.

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My patients, my preference is low dose trazodone.

For personal use, my preference is alcohol.

[Arnfinn Madsen]

Maybe not inexpensive, but works:

Snoozatron

[durkahdurkah]

5-HTP + Melatonin

feel free to add booze as appropriate

or you could just buy anything that is an antihistamine that isn't loratidine (claritin)

[tendog]

my mind never seems sharp the day after taking the unisom type stuff. you dont get the same quality of sleep as natural sleep at least over the counter.

maybe the herbal melotonin stuff is better.

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I have to disagree with all this melatonin nonsense. It is a hormone. Never take hormones or hormone precursors in any form. They are so bad for you.

[durkahdurkah]

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I have to disagree with all this melatonin nonsense. It is a hormone. Never take hormones or hormone precursors in any form. They are so bad for you.

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technically then, you should never eat turkey considering tryptophan is only 2 stages away from serotonin (tyrptophan --> 5-hydroxytryptophan --> serotonin).

plus, as melatonin is a tryptamine (n-acetyl-5-methoxytryptamine i think), i guess that means fun stuff like mushrooms (psilocybin = 4-hydroxytryptamine) are also out. plus, many wine grapes contain non-negligable amounts of melatonin, which by this assessment means wine is pretty bad for you.

i disagree with you CC. taking hormones is not necessarily bad for you. abusing hormones is.

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i disagree with you CC. taking hormones is not necessarily bad for you. abusing hormones is.

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But come on, you knew what I was getting at. The amount of hormones or precursors in turkey and grapes (nobody is eating 'shrooms' daily) is negligible compared to melatonin pills. Plus, the majority of people take them on a daily basis which combined with the amount ingested could easily be considered 'abuse'. This is one of the reasons I why think marijuana is so harmful, from a certain angle, because of he drastic effect it has on your melatonin levels.

I'm just saying, tell me what i'm missing?

[whipsaw]

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Go to a health store or whatever, lots of places carry this stuff.

But get melatonin/B6 pills, its a herbal solution and works extremely well.

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I wondered how you slept at night.

Lori

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vnh

[durkahdurkah]

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I'm just saying, tell me what i'm missing?

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From what I can tell, two main points missed are:

1. dosage
2. type of hormone

If someone is taking 2-3 3mg pills pf melatonin every night before bed, I'd be shocked if that person didn't develop some sort of tolerance/addiction to external sources of melatonin, as the pineal gland does not produce anywhere near that much. However, if a person takes 1-2 300 mcg pills of melatonin every night, I'd be shocked if there were any long-term ramifications whatsoever. To people who do not take MAOIs, melatonin is very very safe, and is thought to have many other positive fringe benefits (helps obesity by aiding in body weight regulation, known immunoregulator, known antioxidant, etc.)

Admittedly, taking melatonin is taking a hormone. Taking Human Growth Hormone (HGH) is also taking a hormone. Taking anabolic steriods is taking a hormone. There are clear differences in regards to potential damage (short-term and long-term) caused by these three examples.

Maybe I should have been more clear in my statement of taking melatonin + 5-HTP, that I meant:

take 300 mcg melatonin + 100 mg 5-HTP

not

take 3 mg melatonin + 1 g 5-HTP

there is a very clear difference between these.

[lef1000]

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