BBC shows long Muslim propaganda videos during News (challange inside)

[Mickey Brausch]

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It's tolerance. End of story.

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But like all good stories, there's an epilogue: the paradox of tolerance - tolerating intolerance. No matter how we try to work around this; tolerance and intolerance cannot co-exist. We can't tolerate the intolerant.

[/ QUOTE ]Either we tolerate him or intolerance wins -- because then we would all become intolerant.

Very clearly and provenly so, tolerance can carry the day. The United States of America is a fine example of that, despite efforts to the contrary (most of them having the "best intentions" too.)

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There's always this catch-22 that comes up. Yeah, Ghandi figured it out...

[/ QUOTE ]No, tolerance should not mean pacifism nor weakness in our resolve. The penalties for practising Nazism, for example, (e.g. killing Jews) should be severe.

That's the total opposite of the benign neglect with which the ideas of Nazis should be handled. Should I remined everyone once more of the Jewish laywer from the ACLU defending the American Nazis' right to march through Jewish-inhabited Skokie, Illinois? (link) A truly glorious page in American history, that.

Mickey Brausch

[stjohnychan]

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Islamic Facism is stupid and won't survive, as long as we stay out of the way and let the marketplace operate.


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Eventually, yes; but it's survived for 1400 years, so it likely has a ways to go yet still.

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I believe we were talking about radical islam in Western countries, which has existed only recently. Certainly Iran and Saudi Arabia and whoever else don't have a well functioning marketplace of ideas and therefore radical islam flourishes in such places, as you would expect.

[canis582]

Who said anything about Hitler??? That is the worst analogy.

[Felix_Nietzsche]

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Also what did Egypt do?

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Short Answer: Egypt has a lot of violent muslim extremists in their population. Fortunately, most of them lack the financial means to turn their violent thoughts into violent actions. I based this claim on the Pew International polls of the Arab world on their views on terrorism. Jordan is pretty bad as well.
The most violent form of Islam is the Wahabist version (originated from Saudia-Arabia).
Egypt and Pakistan are and have been one of the the most fertile breeding grounds of Wahabism Islam. Egypt is a ticking time bomb ready to explode. The current autocratic govt has so far been successful in keeping these nuts in line.

[chezlaw]

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Last night, they did a story on "US up against tough propaganda campaign" after that helicopter video went up.

They spent about 45 seconds showing Hummers getting blown up and videos of clerics blessing a mortor before some guy drops a shell in it.

Right now, they are doing a story on Hamas showing them celebrating.

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There's this strange idea that knowing something about the enemy is a good idea and very news worthy.

Its a dying idea so you wont have to put up with so much in the future. So much better to believe we will all be welcomed with smiles and flowers and enjoy hours of footage of Tony Blair & co telling us how spiffing it all is.

chez

[stjohnychan]

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Short Answer: Egypt has a lot of violent muslim extremists in their population. Fortunately, most of them lack the financial means to turn their violent thoughts into violent actions. I based this claim on the Pew International polls of the Arab world on their views on terrorism. Jordan is pretty bad as well.
The most violent form of Islam is the Wahabist version (originated from Saudia-Arabia).
Egypt and Pakistan are and have been one of the the most fertile breeding grounds of Wahabism Islam. Egypt is a ticking time bomb ready to explode. The current autocratic govt has so far been successful in keeping these nuts in line.



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But what did they DO? Now we're nuking whole countries for how some (or even most) of them think? This sort of preemptive strike idea is the same faulty logic that got us into Iraq. Except worse because you're advocating nuclear options.

[Felix_Nietzsche]

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But what did they DO?

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There is a large element of al Qaeda and al Qaeda supporters in Egypt. Violent Islam is dominent in Egypt (others are too afraid to challenge them). And it will continue to be as long as they keep brainwashing their children to hate infidels and that killing infidels is justified. Surprisingly, a large number of Egypt's more educated believe this. Only the present dicatatorship keeps these people in line. My problems with Eqypt are
(1)they are a prime recruiting ground for violent Islam,
(2)they brain-wash their children to hate and
(3)they brainwash their children that killing infidels is justified...
Other than that Eqyptians are very nice people. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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you're advocating nuclear options.

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If nuclear terrorism is intiated against the USA, then a nuclear response is justified against those responsible......no matter how small or large their contributions were in a nuclear attack.

[chezlaw]

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If nuclear terrorism is intiated against the USA, then a nuclear response is justified against those responsible......no matter how small or large their contributions were in a nuclear attack.

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Does that include yourself?

What about those responsible for foreign policy that is in some small way responsible and of course all the peoples in the countries that are in some small way responsible for those who are in some small way responsible?

Does that leave anyone?

chez

[Felix_Nietzsche]

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Does that include yourself?

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Oh? Has the the USA intiated nuclear terrorism against an entity that I'm not aware of? If so please enlighten me.
I hope you won't be silly enough to cite Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

[chezlaw]

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Does that include yourself?

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Oh? Has the the USA intiated nuclear terrorism against an entity that I'm not aware of? If so please enlighten me.
I hope you won't be silly enough to cite Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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our foreign policies are in some small way responsible for what happens aren't they? and we are ins some way responsble for that aren't we?

or do you just mean killing the poor sods trying to get on with their lives while living under bad regimes.

chez