jaime gold = spew

[CaseS87]

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Are you serious? Get a clue buddy.

Three Beers

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People throw their hand in the muck after a bluff like all the time. This is completely standard.

[UATrewqaz]

I think the problem is not him just instamucking his hand, which he of course can do and forfeit any claim to the pot

however Gold says some little speech about "You got me, I have nothing", etc.

and he DOESN'T muck, he just plays with his cards, waiting for player B to show and then after player B shows he mucks.

If Gold wants to muck first that's fine, becaue then player B doesn't have to show to win, however his lame attempt to try to get info off of player B without giving up any when he's obligated to show first is low.

[CaseS87]

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I think the problem is not him just instamucking his hand, which he of course can do and forfeit any claim to the pot

however Gold says some little speech about "You got me, I have nothing", etc.

and he DOESN'T muck, he just plays with his cards, waiting for player B to show and then after player B shows he mucks.

If Gold wants to muck first that's fine, becaue then player B doesn't have to show to win, however his lame attempt to try to get info off of player B without giving up any when he's obligated to show first is low.

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Player B has to show his hand no matter what to win the pot on HSP.

Edit- This is evident last season I think when Phil Laak had to turn over his hand after his opponent had mucked to win the pot. I think Laak had TT.

[ThreeBeers]

I completely agree with you. Each of the other players should have asked him "are you folding?" If yes, then the dealer could push the pot. if not, then Gold should show his hand. Gold has the complete right to fold his hand, but not to try and act like a nit to eek out some little amature play. I typically have no problem when a player pulls this move once or twice, but when it becomes chronic, I may call them on it.

ThreeBeers

[ThreeBeers]

I agree, Player B (the Caller) would have to show his hand to win the pot. But if Play B shows his hand that would have otherwise been a loser then player B should enjoy the benefit of Gold having folded. That is why Player B should ask Gold if he is folding. Player B should have the benefit of being able to fold his hand if Gold shows a hand that beats his.

ThreeBeers

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When a fish is at your table, handing out money, and you like the fact that he is handing you money, you may consider letting him bend the rules a bit on showing his bluffs.

[ThreeBeers]

But that is not what Gold did. Gold whould hold his hand until the player that called would show his hand. As I stated, I would have no problem if Gold had in fact mucked his hand and player B (the Caller) then showed his hand to take down the pot.

Three Beers

[ThreeBeers]

I agree with this point. However, my dislike for Gold taints my opinion of him. I have closely followed the ongoing litigation (to the point of having read all of the filed pleadings and realted documents). Including Gold's deposition.

Three Beers

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wait what ended up happening with the litigation stuff

i was kind of annoyed that matusow implied that everyone at the final table fell for jamies antics. seven out of the eight other players were eliminated by him. seven.

[CaseS87]

Jamie Gold has done nothing wrong here. Jamie is not bending the rules; he's not attempting to angle shoot. This is so standard in live games that I don't even know why it's a subject of discussion.