Senate records show PPA given $720,000 so far......

[Mason Malmuth]

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They've already paid a nice sum on money to congress, and that will continue.

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Normally your posts aren't worth responding to. But I sure hope that no one here thinks that the PPA is paying off members of Congress.

MM

[Wynton]

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Hi cat:

He's a representative of Bluff Magazine who we have already barred several times under different names. But we hav decided to let him post for now to ensure that all points of view are heard.

Best wishes,
Mason

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Well, that clears things up. I don't know why he had to be so mysterious.

[rokstedy]

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yeahright . . .

Who are you?

What is your vested interest in this?

It is obvious that you have something significant at stake in this whole debate about the PPA. Your credibility is greatly reduced by the fact that you won't tell us what that interest is.

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I have an interest in the poker business staying afloat in the US. I have no affiliation with the PPA, but I do speak to them, and I feel it is very important they be supported.

My credibility isn't important on this site. I'll just post articles and other comments that I think help the cause to keep poker alive.

No one has to just "believe me". I've posted many things that are public record.

At this point, one of the biggest things holding back the fight to save poker is poker players themselves.

If you've been around anytime at all, you'd know just about every poker association ever started failed. The reasons are seen right here on 2+2.

There's always the conspiracy theorists that keep things from working.

It's public record the PPA has give $720,000 on our behalf, yet still they'll just be called scammers on this site.

The PPA posts financial information, and all that does is make people ask a million other questions....further distracting from we need to be doing.

Something needs to be done to help poker NOW! Poker sites are falling left and right.

The PPA is our best hope, I'm 100% positive. They've already paid a nice sum on money to congress, and that will continue.

Yet, all of this, and 2+2 members only want to talk about how they are going to form another organization. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Excellent post. There was that alternate org. thread going before and the guy who started it has already dropped out citing that he didn't have the time to committ to the process.

That is why people need to get behind the PPA instead of trying to tear it down. They HAVE committed to this cause. They ARE putting the time in.

Who else are you going to pur your faith in? Do you think Congress, the DOJ, the President read 2+2? Like one night they're browsing the net, stumble upon some brilliant post by CzechThezeNutz, slap their forehead in disgust and start a chain letter throughout washington pointing everyone to what's happening on 2+2?

If you want your game to be treated like a legitimate enterprise, as it appears that all do, and not some underground thing, then act accordingly.

[rokstedy]

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Hi cat:

He's a representative of Bluff Magazine who we have already barred several times under different names. But we hav decided to let him post for now to ensure that all points of view are heard.

Best wishes,
Mason

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Why was he banned? BECAUSE he's a rep of Bluff? That's kind of gay.

[Uglyowl]

PPA: "You just have to trust us, Bill Frist will fail" "We can't give away our secrets though, just trust us"

Within two days, the UIGEA was passed.

To think poker players will support an organization without having the necessary assurances and trust is insane. Any organization that asks for money and/or support should answer questions of those it is asking.

Twoplustwo is one of the largest places poker players gather and to avoid it because PPA and Mason can't get along is pornographic!

Micheal B (PPA, President) seems like a good enough guy, but no one can be trusted just because....

I still think the PPA can succeed and are getting better. With limited information though, it is tough to really tell their effectiveness. I really really want them to succeed.

To date what is PPA biggest accomplishment? I don't mean this to be coy, but just saying there is alot of work to earn the trust of the poker playing public.

[Richas]

I'll ask again - what is the back story between 2+2 and some members of the PPA board that led to the investigation and the hatchet job statement pinned to the top of the board?

I genuinely want to know why the only 2+2 action on this is to slag the PPA, if there are better or even more personal but potentially significant character issues I'd like to know what they are because from a neutrals perspective it looks like the PPA are doing all they can and started to work on this long before many of us knew it was a threat.

[demon102]

I think there wasnt much of a problem between 2+2 members and the PPA as there was just a question of should 2+2 endorse the PPA. If Im right 2+2 leaders just wanted to know that the PPA is legit before they promote supporting and giving donations from 2+2 members.

[MiltonFriedman]

What "Senate records" ? Any link ?

Who did the money go to ? (THAT would be very interesting, willing to bet that some recipients took the money and still actively supported the ban.)

How much was also spent for the "public relations firm" ? What did they get for it, that cocktail party at the Rio during the WSOP ? Access to some worthwhile information ? A picture of Barney Frank with a woman ?

[BluffTHIS!]

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I'll ask again - what is the back story between 2+2 and some members of the PPA board that led to the investigation and the hatchet job statement pinned to the top of the board?

I genuinely want to know why the only 2+2 action on this is to slag the PPA, if there are better or even more personal but potentially significant character issues I'd like to know what they are because from a neutrals perspective it looks like the PPA are doing all they can and started to work on this long before many of us knew it was a threat.

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Richas,

And I'll ask YOU again. Are you affiliated with either party poker or another online gaming site, or a site such as neteller that provides logistical support to same? Your extreme interest in the PPA as a UK citizen raises this question.

Also regarding "backstory" vis-a-vis 2+2 and the PPA, why do you think there must be some sinister motive on Mason's part when many of us posters have raised the same issues regarding the PPA? If anything, you should question the makeup of the PPA board which consists *solely* of CP mag affiliated writers, and players who have either an ownership or sponsorship affiliation with an online poker site, thus leading to a reasonable conclusion that the PPA represents primarily the interests of those online sites and the media dependant on same, rather than its player membership. And this is important because an agenda of online poker only as opposed to both B&M and online, and one furthermore tied to other forms of gambling likes sports and casino games is what some of those same sites like party are very interested in, regardless of whether it harms poker.

[Losing all]

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They've already paid a nice sum on money to congress, and that will continue.

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I sure hope that no one here thinks that the PPA is paying off members of Congress.

MM

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I wish they were. I don't know if the PPA is trying to steal from us or not, but I'm pretty sure they're do-nothing boobs.