Interpretation and Religon

[kurto]

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There are so many religons with each religon having numerous off shoots. Most of these arise from different interpretations of a core religon. For example there are many different christian religons. Some believe that there is a hell some dont. Some let gays worship some dont. How do you know if you are following the right interpretation or religon. There should only be one right religon according to most religons. How do you know you are following the right one.

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Generally, if you talk to a believer - the one they follow is right. It just is.

They often "feel it". The fact that others "feel it" yet have very different beliefs is irrelevent. They are right while the others who feel it are wrong.

The interpretation that the person you are talking to of their scripture is undoubtably also correct. If people read it differently for centuries before... they were wrong.

Please note- with this valuable way to determine who has it right you can now save your eternal soul.

[txag007]

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Generally, if you talk to a believer - the one they follow is right. It just is.

They often "feel it". The fact that others "feel it" yet have very different beliefs is irrelevent. They are right while the others who feel it are wrong.

The interpretation that the person you are talking to of their scripture is undoubtably also correct. If people read it differently for centuries before... they were wrong.

Please note- with this valuable way to determine who has it right you can now save your eternal soul.

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None of what is written above is correct.

[kurto]

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Generally, if you talk to a believer - the one they follow is right. It just is.

They often "feel it". The fact that others "feel it" yet have very different beliefs is irrelevent. They are right while the others who feel it are wrong.

The interpretation that the person you are talking to of their scripture is undoubtably also correct. If people read it differently for centuries before... they were wrong.

Please note- with this valuable way to determine who has it right you can now save your eternal soul.

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None of what is written above is correct.

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I didn't realize you could discount the experience of the majority of the theists I've met. I can introduce you to my brother who will no doubt confirm that his church has it right and that all other religions are wrong.

I find it amusing that you claim I'm wrong. Are you suggesting that the Muslims are just as right as you are? Or how about the Jews? They claim Jesus wasn't the son of God. Are they right or wrong? Because I promise you they feel they experience their religion as strongly as you do.

Or is this just another arbitrary txag comment?

[txag007]

You aren't giving believers nearly enough credit for why they believe as they do. There is a difference between just "feeling" it, and actually experiencing God.

[bunny]

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You aren't giving believers nearly enough credit for why they believe as they do. There is a difference between just "feeling" it, and actually experiencing God.

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How can a believer distinguish between actually experiencing God and a delusion that they have experienced God?

[kurto]

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You aren't giving believers nearly enough credit for why they believe as they do. There is a difference between just "feeling" it, and actually experiencing God.

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You don't get it, txag. We've been down this road before and you're as blind to this point as ever. You're playing semantics but the point is NO different.

First of all, there is NO difference between "feeling" and "experiencing" God. That's the 'semantics' part.

And what's been pointed out that you don't get is that people of ALL religions EXPERIENCE their God. They all believe they are unique. Obviously they have it right because they experience God. The Muslims Experience God. Christians Experience God. Jew Experience God. Wiccans experience their God. The Aztecs 'experienced' their God. They're ALL right because they're ALL experiencing their God. Obviously there are multiple Gods have experiences with different people.

[Taraz]

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There are so many religons with each religon having numerous off shoots. Most of these arise from different interpretations of a core religon. For example there are many different christian religons. Some believe that there is a hell some dont. Some let gays worship some dont. How do you know if you are following the right interpretation or religon. There should only be one right religon according to most religons. How do you know you are following the right one.

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You don't.

I also don't know if most religions believe there is only one "right" religion. A lot of Christians believe that Christianity is the only right religion. I think all religions believe that their religion is the "most right" though.

[kurto]

This reminds me of a sermen my brother wanted to play for me to show me the tolerance of Christians. he had taped it off of some religious cable network and had saved it just for my wife and I to watch. (He's a born again and he's constantly trying to save my wife and I)

It went something like this....
"What does it mean to be Christian towards other Faiths? If you have neighbors who are Muslim you should show them Christian hospitality. Encourage your children to be friendly with Jewish children in the neighborhood. Be CHRISTIAN. (this goes on in this fashion for another minute or so giving examples of how you are to be nice)

But if your child says she wants to learn about Islam, you cannot allow it. Your children cannot be indulged to try out other religions. (Here's where he gets very angry and his voice is booming) Because the Muslims are calling Jesus a LIAR. Because the Jews are calling Jesus a LIAR. The atheists are calling Jesus a LIAR."

I remember being confused about exactly what my brother thought I was supposed to get about this or why this would make me feel all warm and fuzzy about his beliefs.

[hyde]

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This reminds me of a sermen my brother wanted to play for me to show me the tolerance of Christians. he had taped it off of some religious cable network and had saved it just for my wife and I to watch. (He's a born again and he's constantly trying to save my wife and I)

It went something like this....
"What does it mean to be Christian towards other Faiths? If you have neighbors who are Muslim you should show them Christian hospitality. Encourage your children to be friendly with Jewish children in the neighborhood. Be CHRISTIAN. (this goes on in this fashion for another minute or so giving examples of how you are to be nice)

But if your child says she wants to learn about Islam, you cannot allow it. Your children cannot be indulged to try out other religions. (Here's where he gets very angry and his voice is booming) Because the Muslims are calling Jesus a LIAR. Because the Jews are calling Jesus a LIAR. The atheists are calling Jesus a LIAR."

I remember being confused about exactly what my brother thought I was supposed to get about this or why this would make me feel all warm and fuzzy about his beliefs.

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Bait and switch.
It's about the love....let me teach you how to hate....

[NotReady]

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I'm sure txag007 will accept that there are some deluded christians, though not deluded about their experience with God. I am curious how he would suggest someone assure themselves this belief is not the result of a mental aberration.


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John 10:

1"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a thief and a robber.
2"But he who enters by the door is a shepherd of the sheep.
3"To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
4"When he puts forth all his own, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice.
5"A stranger they simply will not follow, but will flee from him, because they do not know the voice of strangers."
6This figure of speech Jesus spoke to them, but they did not understand what those things were which He had been saying to them.
7So Jesus said to them again, "Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.
8"All who came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
9"I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
10"The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly.
11"I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.


27"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;
28and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
29"My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.
30"I and the Father are one."


37"If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me;
38but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father."


41Many came to Him and were saying, "While John performed no sign, yet everything John said about this man was true."
42Many believed in Him there.