Jamie Gold - Putting Things in Perspective

[thehun69]

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All these mopes did nothing but watch. Again, Jamie got away with all that stuff because the other players let him get away; they have only themselves to blame.

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err... no. That's like saying we have everyone to blame for Barry Bonds taking steroids except for Barry Bonds. Gold's actions were wrong whether he is called out or not. He is an adult and he is responsible for his own behavior. Logic like the kind in your quote has enabled cheaters for ages and is just plain retarded.

But this is a really stupid thing to be arguing about because there is only one person who posts regularly on 2p2 who played with Gold late in the ME, and I don't think I've heard him (or any of the other players, for that matter) griping about Gold's behavior in a public way. It is the people who watched it on TV that have had such a negative reaction to him and we are all entitled to our opinions.

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Your argument is completely misdirected and the analogy is wrong. My point is this: Jamie got away with the things he did because people let him get away with it. I certainly would not have let him get away with those things, but the others at the table, at least from the TV edit, simply sat there. That top top hand is clearly a collusive hand TV editing or not, and NO ONE had that looked into. They didn't cause Jamie to act that way, but they did nothing in reaction to it, and for that they are responsible and shouldn't complain about anything.

About this 2+2'er, I don't know who he is, but was he in that top top hand? did he see Jamie flash the jack at the final table? What was his reaction to either?

THE HUN.

[ClassicBob]

Alan Cunningham folded his Tens to a bluff by Wasicka, not by Gold.

[Rottersod]

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All these mopes did nothing but watch. Again, Jamie got away with all that stuff because the other players let him get away; they have only themselves to blame.

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err... no. That's like saying we have everyone to blame for Barry Bonds taking steroids except for Barry Bonds. Gold's actions were wrong whether he is called out or not. He is an adult and he is responsible for his own behavior. Logic like the kind in your quote has enabled cheaters for ages and is just plain retarded.

But this is a really stupid thing to be arguing about because there is only one person who posts regularly on 2p2 who played with Gold late in the ME, and I don't think I've heard him (or any of the other players, for that matter) griping about Gold's behavior in a public way. It is the people who watched it on TV that have had such a negative reaction to him and we are all entitled to our opinions.

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Your argument is completely misdirected and the analogy is wrong. My point is this: Jamie got away with the things he did because people let him get away with it. I certainly would not have let him get away with those things, but the others at the table, at least from the TV edit, simply sat there. That top top hand is clearly a collusive hand TV editing or not, and NO ONE had that looked into. They didn't cause Jamie to act that way, but they did nothing in reaction to it, and for that they are responsible and shouldn't complain about anything.

About this 2+2'er, I don't know who he is, but was he in that top top hand? did he see Jamie flash the jack at the final table? What was his reaction to either?

THE HUN.

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If you don't know who the 2+2er is who played with him late then you need to be reading more and posting less.

[boc4life]

It's interesting at the final table to watch Gold constantly avoid confrontations with Cunningham. He never really plays a pot out of position against AC, and when in position, frequently checks behind with semi-strong hands. Then, when he gets the opportunity to maybe have a coinflip situation to eliminate Cunningham, he jumps all over it

Of everything that Gold did at the final table, I think this was the most underrated. He recognized that he wasn't going to outplay the best player at the table, and compensated. I wonder if that was something Johnny Chan told him before the final table

[Hotel Detect]

Ever since I watched the PPV final table of the ME I have thought that everyone's reaction to JG was completely unjustified. Sure he comes off as kind of an ass but have you people ever played poker? Every table im at has at least 2 douches that give JG a run for his money. Why does everyone take a guys attitude so personally? I really didnt think he did anything unbelievably obnoxious. The collusion stuff was pretty suspect but I blame the tournament staff for not intervening early and taking care of it - it was plain for all to see. Honestly, I perceived a lot of it to fall under table talk - and when Jamie refers to things like I told this guy to fold b/c I had a big hand, i am pretty sure that he was saying these things out loud and alternating when he was and wasnt telling the truth. This is at least the way i perceived it.

Everyone claims he is so readable, yet in a weeks worth of play none of the top pro's that made it to the end could find a spot to exploit this? I agree with OP, out of the big buyin tournys I've watched, JG put in one of the more impressive performances.

Just think of how difficult it is to keep your cool and wade through a 1k person mtt online - now tell me all it took was a 7 day run of cards (unheard of) for JG to take it down.

An honestly no offense, but if all you are watching is the edited espn versions and didnt even watch the final table (at a minimum) I do not think you can get a clear understanding of how he played.

[McGinty]

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I wonder if that was something Johnny Chan told him before the final table

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I'm pretty sure Chad mentioned that Chan's instructions were to avoid Cunningham if possible.

[Matt Williams]

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Ever since I watched the PPV final table of the ME I have thought that everyone's reaction to JG was completely unjustified. Sure he comes off as kind of an ass but have you people ever played poker? Every table im at has at least 2 douches that give JG a run for his money. Why does everyone take a guys attitude so personally? I really didnt think he did anything unbelievably obnoxious. The collusion stuff was pretty suspect but I blame the tournament staff for not intervening early and taking care of it - it was plain for all to see. Honestly, I perceived a lot of it to fall under table talk - and when Jamie refers to things like I told this guy to fold b/c I had a big hand, i am pretty sure that he was saying these things out loud and alternating when he was and wasnt telling the truth. This is at least the way i perceived it.

Everyone claims he is so readable, yet in a weeks worth of play none of the top pro's that made it to the end could find a spot to exploit this? I agree with OP, out of the big buyin tournys I've watched, JG put in one of the more impressive performances.

Just think of how difficult it is to keep your cool and wade through a 1k person mtt online - now tell me all it took was a 7 day run of cards (unheard of) for JG to take it down.

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I agree. I don't understand why people hate JG so much. My impression was he was just as surprised as everyone else at the hands he was running into. Maybe it came off as being a douche to some people, but I didn't get that impression from him.

I thought Wasicka came off pretty bad saying he would beat JG if he had 10% of the chips in play heads up.

[Artsemis]

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I agree. I don't understand why people hate JG so much.

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It's the Icantformmyownopinions syndrome.

[LandonM]

Some people are more in-tune to the human condition than others.
Those who are in-tune to this aspect of the human condition usually think Gold is a douche, while those who are totally oblivious to this aspect of life usually just listen to what Gold "says". Gold is bright enough to "say things" that attempt to mask the fact that he is a douche, knowing that 80% of the population (poker playing or otherwise) will be unable to see through it.

He is a whiny, self-aggrandizing, ego-driven, obnoxious POS who is smart enough to make overtures to hide it to those who are too dumb to see through to what he really is.

[Ace-Ex]

LOL what a douchebag, trying to tell Doyle what to do.