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[D.J.]

I don't think the all-in bet will get called, $2500 should get called by any Ace.

-D.J.

[snagglepuss]

so you all dont think he is valuebetting AK/AQ that he 3bet preflop here like, 95% of the time if checked to when we have 100 bb's left in a 200+ bb pot?

[Sunny Mehta]

hi rbk,

I don't completely understand the question....there are two separate issues here:

1) are you asking whether you should be willing to fold here?...if that is the question, my answer is absolutely not....getting 3-to-1 on the river I think you have enough of a price to call based on the number of non-fullhouse hands he could have....and also, if you legitimately think you have a tough decision here, then you should've raised more on the turn...

2) or are you saying you ARE committed to your hand, but are asking what the best way to proceed is?......well, if you are committed to calling a bet 100 percent of the time, then you are better of betting yourself if there are worse hands that he'll check behind some percentage of the time (Ax, etc.).....

the only way check-calling is better is if somehow it is more likely for him to have a missed draw that he'll bluff with rather than a worse made hand.....that doesn't appear to be the case here.....

-S

EDIT: perhaps there is one more subset of cases that could make check-calling more viable, and that is if your opponent has a made hand that he'd fold to a bet by you, but value bet himself if you check.....that type of thinking IMO is really only applicable in very rare situations (usually in super-meta-game spots against good thinking players who are very familiar with you and vice versa)....I don't think that applies here given your descriptions.....I don't think villain folds Ax often enough, relative to the number of times he'll check it vs. value bet it.....

[Ansky]

"EDIT: perhaps there is one more subset of cases that could make check-calling more viable, and that is if your opponent has a made hand that he'd fold to a bet by you, but value bet himself if you check.....that type of thinking IMO is really only applicable in very rare situations (usually in super-meta-game spots against good thinking players who are very familiar with you and vice versa)....I don't think that applies here given your descriptions.....I don't think villain folds Ax often enough, relative to the number of times he'll check it vs. value bet it....."

I think most of us would agree that the VAST majority of opponents will call more than they will bet here, yes?

[BluffTHIS!]

Ansky,

Coltrane basically took three times as many words to say what I did earlier in this thread among others. No wonder he and Matt and Ed are having to make their project 2 volumes now.

[Sunny Mehta]

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Ansky,

Coltrane basically took three times as many words to say what I did earlier in this thread among others. No wonder he and Matt and Ed are having to make their project 2 volumes now.

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lol.... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[piiop]

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Ansky,

Coltrane basically took three times as many words to say what I did earlier in this thread among others. No wonder he and Matt and Ed are having to make their project 2 volumes now.

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First time anyone's said the same thing as you with more words??

[BluffTHIS!]

Piiop,

That's why it's especially notable.

[Ansky]

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Ansky,

Coltrane basically took three times as many words to say what I did earlier in this thread among others. No wonder he and Matt and Ed are having to make their project 2 volumes now.

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BluffTHIS!,

I beleive I said the same thing as well.

Edit: Before you did.

[BluffTHIS!]

Anksy,

You said half of it, and left out the 1/2 about being committed to call if he bet after you checked. However I'm sure you thought that was implied and didn't state same, in which case I was wordier than you, as well as repetitive. However that makes Coltrane all the more repetitive and def more wordy [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].