75 Spot vs. Paired Door Card - Page 2

electrical · #11 12-31-2006, 04:14 PM

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I usually fold in this situation since my hand will be face-up if I call

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This I don't really agree with since I think he'll be more likely to fear rolled up trips or turned trip sixes based on how this game plays and how I'm perceived.

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Since you have small cards, there's only one way for you to win this hand at showdown, and making a two-pair or running trips may actually cost you money. If you do make the straight, you're probably only going to win the minimum, or lose an extra bet if he fills. With so little advantage in the money when you win, and a potential extra bet lost if you lose, this doesn't seem like a hand you want to show down.

If you think you can freak him out and make him fold (as implied by your comment), you could raise him back on Four and then semi-bluff Five or take the free card. The problem with raising for a free card is that it doesn't save you any money, since it's a double bet to you already, so you'd be raising to scare him, and probably still need to catch a scare card.

If you had anything else going for you, like a three-flush, you would have some deception built-into your hand, and you'd have more than one way to win at showdown. As it stands, if you're gong to play, I think you have to be aggressive enough to fold him (since you think he might fold), so you don't have to bank on your ship coming in eventually. If you make a straight, I suppose you could win that way too.

For myself, I fold Third and fold Fourth.

Brad1970 · #12 12-31-2006, 05:51 PM

I assume this is stud hi???

If so, I would probably lean toward not chasing & fold since he paired his door card. But, I could also make an argument for peeling one off & see if I catch.

*TT* · #13 12-31-2006, 06:07 PM

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I would probably lean toward not chasing & fold since he paired his door card. But, I could also make an argument for peeling one off & see if I catch.

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Even though you are not being laid the implied odds to improve? Even though the hero has to catch perfect, or pair twice to improve past the villain's hand (and this assumes the villain doesn't have a K in the hole, which is a fairly safe assumption)?

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Jeffage · #14 12-31-2006, 10:40 PM

Ok, maybe I'm not going insane then. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] Happy New Year folks - be safe and kick ass in 2007.

Jeff

Alex/Mugaaz · #15 01-01-2007, 12:29 AM

If you're board was 3/4 4/5 5/6 then I could see continuing since you would have more room to get a fold later on. With 3/6 it's too difficult to do that unless you hit another 3 or 6. Also I just don't see you getting many folds out of Kings Up+ hands regardless of how your board develops. I'd fold. I think continuing is fine if you had a bigger pot, stronger board, or if he had something you could get a fold out of easier. Folding here isn't going to hurt your image either.

2461Badugi · #16 01-01-2007, 12:35 AM

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This player also has been known to make "bad" late street folds because he "knows" he is beat.

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I think this works against you here because most of the time you get a fold out of him is when you make your straight. If you have some plan to get him off the hand otherwise maybe I'm wrong, but I don't really see one. If you were showing two suited it would help.

As I reply to this your post count is 6543, which I find amusing.

Andy B · #17 01-01-2007, 02:13 PM

With 36 on board, he's got a better chance of getting paid off when he hits his straight than he would if his board were more coordinated.

mscags · #18 01-01-2007, 03:11 PM

Are you suited at all?

Ray Zee · #19 01-01-2007, 03:23 PM

looks to me like you are going to be getting around 2 to 1 one odds on this live hand winning.

Jeffage · #20 01-01-2007, 05:45 PM

I don't think this hand is all about implied odds. I think many opponents in this game (including this one) will assume I have a VERY strong hand to call (or raise) on 4th street such as trips. There have been a few instances (one of which I posted quite awhile ago) where I made a float play with next to nothing vs a paired door card so I could induce a fold later. I think the combination of possibly inducing a fold without improving and the fact that (if he has kings up) he will pay off make continuing ok (that is, either calling with intent to raise later or raising immediately in certain spots). I had a strong read that this person did not start with a pair of kings - I guess you had to be there, but I pretty much woulda bet several stacks of green he didn't.

If he has kings only, it's very likely he will check-fold fifth street or (in some cases, bet-fold fifth or check-call 5th, check-fold sixth - particularly if I pair my board or something scary). That was my perspective at the table anyway.

Jeff