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#11
12-23-2006, 10:01 PM
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Re: What % of major tourney players are backed by sheets/bax?
shaniac,
"There is no incentive to help members of your "team" out whatseoever" Not if everything's on the up and up, there isn't. Also, FWIW, I know a handful of people backed by sheets and all of them have said there's not even the slightest hint of any shadiness regarding what to do when playing against other backees or sheets or bax. However, the case could easily be different w/ other backers. 
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#12
12-23-2006, 10:03 PM
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Re: What % of major tourney players are backed by sheets/bax?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] with all of the different backing/endorsement deals what stops tournament poker from turning into team poker? [/ QUOTE ] What about backing/endorsement deals makes tournament poker conducive to team poker? There is no incentive to help members of your "team" out whatseoever, backer or sponsor. [/ QUOTE ] This really isn't correct. There are plenty of spots where the backer would benefit greatly from team play. [/ QUOTE ] And how does the horse benefit? If the backer gives intstructions to his horses to play a certain way or alter his play against other horses, then that's cheating, and I don't approve. But I don't know of any backer who employs his stable in an effort to collude. Except maybe on that show Tilt.
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#13
12-23-2006, 10:04 PM
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Re: What % of major tourney players are backed by sheets/bax?
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shaniac, "There is no incentive to help members of your "team" out whatseoever" Not if everything's on the up and up, there isn't. Also, FWIW, I know a handful of people backed by sheets and all of them have said there's not even the slightest hint of any shadiness regarding what to do when playing against other backees or sheets or bax. However, the case could easily be different w/ other backers. [/ QUOTE ] lol, nobody is ever going to admit to that. Not saying that there ever is cheating, I dont think there is, but still.
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#14
12-23-2006, 10:07 PM
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Re: What % of major tourney players are backed by sheets/bax?
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[ QUOTE ] shaniac, "There is no incentive to help members of your "team" out whatseoever" Not if everything's on the up and up, there isn't. Also, FWIW, I know a handful of people backed by sheets and all of them have said there's not even the slightest hint of any shadiness regarding what to do when playing against other backees or sheets or bax. However, the case could easily be different w/ other backers. [/ QUOTE ] lol, nobody is ever going to admit to that. Not saying that there ever is cheating, I dont think there is, but still. [/ QUOTE ] So then, we are confusing issues. There is no issue with a backer putting in many horses into an event as long as the backer doesn't give instructions for how his horses should play against each other and/or offer incentives based on the team's performance. And since no backer with a large stable would risk rumors of such practices getting out (it's quite plainly cheating), it doesn't seem to go on.
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#16
12-23-2006, 10:13 PM
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Re: What % of major tourney players are backed by sheets/bax?
shane,
One scary thing is, someone like you could be part of a cheating teamplay situation without even knowing it. Any backer with a ton of straight up honest horses could employ a handful of guys willing to chip dump in critical spots to other team members. The more horses a backer has in a tourney, the more of an opportunity there will be to take advantage of something like this. And like I said, the dumpee doesn't even have to be aware this is going on.
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#17
12-23-2006, 10:15 PM
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Re: What % of major tourney players are backed by sheets/bax?
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If you watched the Habib/Tuan Le v Maxfield final three at the WPT championship in 2005, you saw team poker in action. It wasn't very edifying to watch. [/ QUOTE ] This actually hints at the more subtle and pervasive issue, which is that friends will commonly feel compelled to softplay each other or help the other one out. I see signs of it and hear stories that indicate it goes on a lot. Sometimes, the sotfplaying is devoid of major financial interest (like maybe a few % traded). People are basically idiots, and I think a lot of players think it's somehow just the right thing to do and softplay each other without even trying to improve their overall EV. Absent a true plan, they usually just damage their own equity in the tournament, but it's still [censored] up and I wish people wouldn't do it.
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#19
12-23-2006, 10:16 PM
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Re: What % of major tourney players are backed by sheets/bax?
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shane, One scary thing is, someone like you could be part of a cheating teamplay situation without even knowing it. Any backer with a ton of straight up honest horses could employ a handful of guys willing to chip dump in critical spots to other team members. The more horses a backer has in a tourney, the more of an opportunity there will be to take advantage of something like this. And like I said, the dumpee doesn't even have to be aware this is going on. [/ QUOTE ] God damnit El Diablo, now everytime some schmuck donks off his chips to me in a tournament, I'm going to wonder if he was secretly employed by my backers to chip dump to me. SHEEEEEEESH. Ignorance was bliss.
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#20
12-23-2006, 10:17 PM
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Re: What % of major tourney players are backed by sheets/bax?
I personally don't understand how backing someone can be a profitable venture.
I mean for a good player, I understand the deal is typically the backer puts up 100% of the cash and the profits are split. I think the level of play has been elevated significantly of the "average" player over the last 2 years that the edges that a good/great player can have over the field has been diminshed significantly. Tell me does Sheets/Bax make big money doing this?
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