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#12
12-15-2006, 04:21 PM
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Re: f that this ones closer
I don't like a 3bet in either. Just call.
Neither of these villains appear to be total nutjobs and that's what it would take for me to 3bet either of these. 
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#13
12-15-2006, 04:46 PM
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Re: f that this ones closer
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[ QUOTE ] I think these are both easy calls. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] In #1 I think you're ahead > 66% of the time here pretty easily vs. a lot of 2pr hands, and should be able to fold to a cap (though it's close and the only reason I might consider calling is if I didn't feel confident in folding to a cap). Rob
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#14
12-15-2006, 05:19 PM
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Re: 3bet riv?
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Many people may try to justify a river 3bet becuz hes unlikely to have some of the hands I mentioned based on the logic of the hand, but this guy is not a logical player so throw all ideas about reading hands out the window. [/ QUOTE ] This is a cop out. Just because a player isn't using 2+2 thought processes doesn't mean we can't make handreading conclusions about his actions. Even very bad players usually have a rationale for the plays they make.
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#15
12-15-2006, 05:56 PM
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Re: 3bet riv?
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[ QUOTE ] Many people may try to justify a river 3bet becuz hes unlikely to have some of the hands I mentioned based on the logic of the hand, but this guy is not a logical player so throw all ideas about reading hands out the window. [/ QUOTE ] This is a cop out. Just because a player isn't using 2+2 thought processes doesn't mean we can't make handreading conclusions about his actions. Even very bad players usually have a rationale for the plays they make. [/ QUOTE ] What I said is not a cop out. When this guy check/raises the river he can have a flush, he can have a straight and he can have a set. Trust me.
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#17
12-15-2006, 08:25 PM
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Re: 3bet riv?
1 is a 3 bet, 2 is a call.
in 1, it is unlikely he has a flush because he would have popped the turn. It is most likely the A improved him to a worse 2 pr. A straight is extremely unlikely because he probably would have folded 32 pf.
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#19
12-15-2006, 11:01 PM
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Re: 3bet riv?
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Of course he can have a straight or a flush or a set. He can also have two pair. Enter handreading. [/ QUOTE ] When someone doesnt play logically, handreading techniques break down. Trying to put a bad player on a hand when the hero has no line on his play is next to impossible. The hero needs to be greater than a 2-1 favorite to make this 3bet profitable since I presume hes calling a cap. Theres no realiable way to come to the conclusion that the hero is a 2-1 favorite, so calling the river raise is the prudent course.
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#20
12-16-2006, 01:50 AM
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Re: 3bet riv?
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1 is a 3 bet, 2 is a call. in 1, it is unlikely he has a flush because he would have popped the turn. It is most likely the A improved him to a worse 2 pr. A straight is extremely unlikely because he probably would have folded 32 pf. [/ QUOTE ] I think this is exactly how a 59/7 would play 32 from the SB, and postflop lines up perfectly as well. If it's A4 / A5 / 23 / rare flush / rare bluff then 3betting doesn't look so hot. Surf
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