25/50nl Play this draw with 300bb's (PART TWO, turn play) - Page 2

snugglez88 · #11 11-30-2006, 08:07 PM

bet 2500, fold to an all in? I'm kind of lazy and didn't do the math on the draw. If he makes a smaller c/r you've gotta call and check down the river if you miss. Very interesting hand/discussion by the way, nice going.

jcmoussa · #12 11-30-2006, 08:15 PM

So is checking behind here not an option?

FoxwoodsFiend · #13 11-30-2006, 08:20 PM

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So is checking behind here not an option?

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you can't win every hand by checking, moron.

gol4pro · #14 11-30-2006, 08:32 PM

Anyone like a weak lead to induce the CR, then an insta- shove over the top of it? I like this line a little more because then he actually isn't getting great pot odds to call with his supposed overpair?

On the contrary, if we bet 2/3-4/5 and he CR's, then he might not let it go b/c it's such good pot odds.

Am I just psycho?

FoxwoodsFiend · #15 11-30-2006, 08:35 PM

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Anyone like a weak lead to induce the CR, then an insta- shove over the top of it? I like this line a little more because then he actually isn't getting great pot odds to call with his supposed overpair?

On the contrary, if we bet 2/3-4/5 and he CR's, then he might not let it go b/c it's such good pot odds.

Am I just psycho?

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and this bet would represent what exactly?

aejones · #16 11-30-2006, 08:55 PM

2350-2950 on the turn.

If he check raises I'd immediately get sick to my stomach but I don't think I like shoving because we have almost no FE. I'm sure he likes to play an aggro game but us calling the flop and then betting the turn is not usually a draw and not usually something that is playing for pot control or a small pot in call down mode, so I think a CR bluff by him would be crazy without the goods, hence our lack of FE for a b3b given stack sizes.

TheWorstPlayer · #17 12-01-2006, 11:39 AM

check. once you just call the flop you should check the turn. calling the flop and then betting the turn is exactly what you DON'T want - only playing a big pot as a dog. With one card to come, you're not in good shape at all if you get it in here...

thabadguy · #18 12-01-2006, 11:55 AM

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check. once you just call the flop you should check the turn. calling the flop and then betting the turn is exactly what you DON'T want - only playing a big pot as a dog. With one card to come, you're not in good shape at all if you get it in here...

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FE, my furry little friend.

yenman · #19 12-01-2006, 12:20 PM

umm as played take free card? dont reopen the betting as u took a line that favored pot control. especially since ur hand improved...May be im just weak... [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] I am only a 2/4 player afterall. it's interesting to here high stakes player discuss hands. way more aggro and creative.

still... as played i would take a free card. if u think he folds over 50% of the time.. i dont mind a bet. if he sees u as weak tight, u gotta be careful. he sees u as cuatious si similarly he would be cautious. Most good players will have the goods when big pots comedown to the turn and river.

TheWorstPlayer · #20 12-01-2006, 12:34 PM

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check. once you just call the flop you should check the turn. calling the flop and then betting the turn is exactly what you DON'T want - only playing a big pot as a dog. With one card to come, you're not in good shape at all if you get it in here...

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FE, my furry little friend.

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You don't have much. And this deep you want to win a big pot with a big hand. The chance to do that was on the flop. I would have raised the flop. But once you don't, I definitely do not want to play a big pot on the turn...

Edit: Bluffing this turn changes your awesome draw into ATC. He either folds (doesn't matter what your hand is) or he pushes (you get it all in as a dog). I don't like the line of call flop, bet turn at all...