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11-27-2006, 04:37 PM
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Re: How to handle a check-raise on the Flop
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I don't see where you guys are getting that the flop probably hit him, other than that we know OP was check-raised. In any case, I'm almost always cbetting here. We take it down most of the time, and the times we get c/r'd with nothing after cbetting are worth the metagame for the times we get c/r'd with something. [/ QUOTE ] So you are saying the CBing here and then getting c/r'ed and having to fold is good for the times we have KK on a raggedy flop - "CB" the flop and get c/r'ed by LAG dude who has nothing. If we fold often to the c/r (cos often we have nada) then the one time we call his c/r alarm bells will be ringing. I think it's just better to "CB" flops we might actually have hit vs LAGs. If we check behind here we might spike a pair we can take to SD and win a modest pot with. If that does happen our future CB's will carry a little more weight if villain sees us SD a hand we didn't CB - and that gives us good shania as well (Assuming villain is paying some kind of attention) It keeps the pot smaller for later streets so that if we do hit the pots not out of control and also if LAG villain bets a blank turn and our read is he's FOS we can c/r him on the turn for the same price as calling the flop c/r with much higher FE than a flop CB. IME LAGs (well bad LAGs at least) don't call c/r without a reasonable hand, whereas they routinely raise suspicious flop bets with air for fun and often bet the turn with that same air they were planning on c/ring the flop with. auto CBing the flop cos "it's very likely missed villains hand" is bad if that villain has a tendancy to raise often and we don't have a hand that can call a raise I think. In these spots (LAG villain TAG Hero ragged ranbow flop) I don't think a CB takes it down that often at all - probably less than 1/3rd of the time - especially if we are just over half potting it - a half pot flop bet to a LAG is like waving baby back ribs in front of a fat bloke - often we are going to get our hand bitten off. In the OP hand we have a 6 out draw - if villain is playing cards that might well have hit that flop, and is LAGgy then we are dam well going to be facing a turn lead if we call the flop raise which will be very expensive if we miss the turn. Isn't it better to not CB here and then make a play on the turn when we are one street away from seeing the whole board and having much more of a clue as to whether or not our hand might be good? If the flop was J74r then I'm CBetting cos it's much more likely that we have hit if we are playing TAGgy and are very likely playing overcards here. maybe I am way off... 
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