ATs flop and turn questions - Page 2

olof86 · #11 11-21-2006, 02:40 PM

I'd just push the flop.

Big_Jim · #12 11-21-2006, 04:59 PM

Why is everybody assuming he has the flush draw?

I would usually just call PF.

AQ+ isn't going anywhere, so I don't see why you would push the flop....

Requin · #13 11-21-2006, 05:11 PM

You guys are nuts for trying to bluff the flop here, call is fine.

aejones · #14 11-21-2006, 05:18 PM

Pooooooosh da flop

Big_Jim · #15 11-21-2006, 05:19 PM

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As a bluff, for value, or just to make the hand easy to play?

The last reason is the only one that makes any sense to me, as well as metagame, I suppose.

aejones · #16 11-21-2006, 05:23 PM

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As a bluff, for value, or just to make the hand easy to play?

The last reason is the only one that makes any sense to me.

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It's combo for sure Jim. I guess it's a semi-bluff here. You've got to assume that your T is live and that your clubs are to da nuts. He should probably muck AJ/AQ, so you have FE for sure. It's like pushing AJs on a 8 high board... the guy will fold overpairs, and you've almost always got one overcard.

Big_Jim · #17 11-21-2006, 05:26 PM

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I don't think there's any chance he folds AQ, if he played like this, and only a slim chance he folds AJ.

Again.. I'm not saying that making the hand easy to play doesn't have some value, it definitely does, and it's always nice to be seen putting your stack in the pot, but I think in a vacuum, a call here is clearly better.

Not to mention the times when he plays a draw, like this.

Requin · #18 11-21-2006, 05:29 PM

Word. IF he plays AQ or AJ like this, I doubt he mucks it. Raise/fold with those hands is pretty awful, and I'd need a read to assume he would do that.

#19 11-21-2006, 05:31 PM

Jim, all three [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

aejones · #20 11-21-2006, 05:36 PM

I'd raise to 65-70 preflop so that I could bet 130ish on the flop and never plan on folding. I'm ahead or dominating combo draws, and I have tons of equity vs everything else. I really hate calling and seeing only the turn; though his minraise sucks so bad the worst you can do is call and just muck the turn I guess.