Live tourny about 4hrs. ago - Page 2

RichC. · #11 02-01-2006, 10:58 AM

How is minraising with AA standard? All you do is give marginal drawing hands a cheap flop and these are the best hands to crack AA. If you just make the standard raise for the table then it will appear to be a steal but at the same time will not give your hand away. Just by betting each hand you have the same way limits your opponents ability to read you. Sure you want to mix it up, but this is mixing it up, if you open raise every hand the same then suddenly 65o and AA will appear the same, thus disguising your hand and misleading your opponents.

h20man65 · #12 02-01-2006, 11:39 AM

Reraise to 4k-5k sounds good to me, folding is not an option at this point, IMO. Burn and turn if villian bets into you again if a scare card hits then re-access. I agree that the pf raise should have been more, minimum is inviting trouble.

Foucault · #13 02-01-2006, 11:56 AM

Your goal when playing AA is not to get a pre-flop call no matter how small, it is to get as much money in the pot as possible, especially pre-flop. The ideal situation is getting re-raised, not called. If Villain is a decent player, then he should know that if you make a real bet, he needs to re-raise or fold. Even with AA, you are better off having him fold than seeing a cheap flop when he holds a lot of speculative hands that he will not take past the flop unless he improves to better than one pair. You want action from a hand like KQ, but that can call or re-raise a standard raise. Villain might fold 86s to a standard raise, but that is preferable to showing him a cheap flop.

What really, really does not make sense is showing Villain a cheap flop and then immediately looking for excuses to slow down or fold with AA. You let him take a flop because you wanted to play a big pot with him. What did you expect him to do when he got a piece, check-call you all the way? Now that he's shown some interest, you have to build the pot. You have to raise his lead and call a push. There is no folding here.

kutuz_off · #14 02-01-2006, 01:20 PM

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I decide to raise to 1600. I do this because I am trying to represent a steal and a bully.

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You're trying to have it both ways, representing a steal and showing strength at the same time. I don't like minraising with AA, FWIW. I also think he could call with AK there, not wanting to inflate the pot out of position against a raiser.

rockin · #15 02-01-2006, 01:28 PM

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Now I am in the CO and it is folded to me. I look down and find two red aces. Very sweet. I decide to raise to 1600. I do this because I am trying to represent a steal and a bully.

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how is a minraise representing a steal and a bully?

so you folded to his bet. you don't think he could possibly have had a middle pair or even just top pair? he bets 1500 into a 4000 pot, RAISE him.

betgo · #16 02-01-2006, 01:37 PM

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Now I am in the CO and it is folded to me. I look down and find two red aces. Very sweet. I decide to raise to 1600. I do this because I am trying to represent a steal and a bully.

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how is a minraise representing a steal and a bully?

so you folded to his bet. you don't think he could possibly have had a middle pair or even just top pair? you have to trust your reads, but the range you put him on may have been too narrow. Was this the range you put him on as you were playing or as an afterthought?

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I don't see where hero said he folded to the probe bet. I assume he put the money in and lost most of his stack.

Beachman42 · #17 02-01-2006, 02:55 PM

In the last live tourney I played, the CL was blind stealing with a consistent 3-4XBB bet. When I had enough of it, I re-raised over the top AI with AKo. He flipped AA. Not a bad beat, just bad luck for what is my standard "stand up to a bully" play with a hand. I think min-raising with AA as the CL is a huge mistake, esp in late position.

rockin · #18 02-01-2006, 03:00 PM

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Now I am in the CO and it is folded to me. I look down and find two red aces. Very sweet. I decide to raise to 1600. I do this because I am trying to represent a steal and a bully.

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how is a minraise representing a steal and a bully?

so you folded to his bet. you don't think he could possibly have had a middle pair or even just top pair? you have to trust your reads, but the range you put him on may have been too narrow. Was this the range you put him on as you were playing or as an afterthought?

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I don't see where hero said he folded to the probe bet. I assume he put the money in and lost most of his stack.

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read the last sentence of his OP. either villain mucked or hero mucked because villain never showed his hand (not clear on which street all the mucking took place).

DontPanic87 · #19 02-01-2006, 03:17 PM

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I assume he put the money in and lost most of his stack.

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He said that he needed to ask villain what he had later on, meaning the hand wasn't showed down.

Edit: Sorry, didn't see the previous post

jlocdog · #20 02-01-2006, 03:22 PM

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I decide to raise to 1600. I do this because I am trying to represent a steal and a bully.

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I have shown strength with my raise

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You're trying to have it both ways, representing a steal and showing strength at the same time. I don't like minraising with AA,

FWIW. I also think he could call with AK there, not wanting to inflate the pot out of position against a raiser.

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You're right. I can't rule out AK. He might just want to keep it cheap with this drawing hand preflop. I just put it behind the other hands as his most likely holding, but you're right. I shouldn't totally rule it out.