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Old 10-09-2006, 03:08 PM
Bigwig Bigwig is offline
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Default Re: Who\'s Crazier: Me for pushing, or him for calling?

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FWIW, I don't think I was short enough that I had to push PF.

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Well, you're wrong.
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Old 10-09-2006, 03:33 PM
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Default Re: Who\'s Crazier: Me for pushing, or him for calling?

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FWIW, I don't think I was short enough that I had to push PF.

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Well, you're wrong.

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yup, this is a must push preflop
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Old 10-09-2006, 03:42 PM
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Default Re: Who\'s Crazier: Me for pushing, or him for calling?

Below are some quesions...they aren't rhetorical: answering them might help you better understand your play and your opponents play.


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<font color="blue">FWIW, I don't think I was short enough that I had to push PF. </font>

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Quick hypothetical:
Would you have folded to a push preflop after committing &gt;20% of your chips? Trying to answer this might shed light on the danger of min raising preflop.

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I know min-raising doesn't sit well with a lot of 2+2ers, but at higher blinds, it is generally effective. As long as you don't mind seeing the occasional flop, that is.
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This is true, but pushing preflop is even more true in regards to what you said above. Pushing is effective, and you occasionally see a flop.

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His hand was right about what I expected from previous play, which is why i cold-called and pushed a flop that I figured missed him.
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Did you put him on an exact hand, or a range? What range did you put him on?

You make it sound like you knew what to expect from your opponent. You obviously don't, though, because you later state that you were surprised by the call.

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He would have called for sure if I'd pushed PF, and I didn't want that. What I didn't expect was the call, that had me scratching my head a bit. Meh, no regrets really, just a little surprised. </font>

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I'm not sure why his call was so surprising. The flop didn't help you, which increases the chances that it helped the villian. Plus he reraised you, which could mean that he already has a hand he's willing to go to the felt with.


Mostly I think you should avoid minraising...while it can be effective, it's not as effective as pushing and can get you into trouble postflop. You're thinking deeper than one level, which is great, but you're not really reading your opponents' hands very well.

In this hand you tried twice to make your opponent fold based on your actions (raising pre and pushing after flop), but completely ignored the sign your opponent gave you regarding his hand. Work on interpretting their actions; understanding them will help you to make more effective moves.

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Old 10-09-2006, 05:41 PM
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Default Re: Who\'s Crazier: Me for pushing, or him for calling?

haha i know who you are just by reading that play. You always make those minraises against me drives me nuts.
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