Is 10/20 like 4x harder than it was 1-2 years ago?

[Victor]

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Couldn't this just be variance?

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not sure if this is directed at me but in general but when poor results occur for long stretches or even multiple moderate stretches i think its important to recognize the significance. its easy to shrug things off to variance, and weight the good runs, and believe in your understanding bc you read a few books and made some posts but ultimately thats just a form of denial.

im sure rory will be here soon with some statement about mentality i wont understand or believe tho.

[Keepitsimple]

good post Victor.

There are ways to beat the game though.

The players in holdem are imo divided into 2 classes.

The idiots and the not so dumb.

If you have an idiot at the table you cant lose. If you have a table with 5 not so dumb players its tought to know. --> Always play with idiots.

[The Bryce]

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If you have an idiot at the table you cant lose. If you have a table with 5 not so dumb players its tought to know. --> Always play with idiots.

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So true. Some people say I'm crazy when I mention that "meh, that table only had 1 50VPIPer at it," but there's a lot of interenet out there.

Victor! Tear to my eye! Good post. Have you maybe considered spending a few hours with Rory? I imagine you've got the bankroll to pay for it and I'm pretty sure that you know that personal psycology is the weak point in your career right now. I've only read snippets of his stuff, but the guy seems like he's the nuts (I'll probably be setting aside some money to talk to him myself for a couple hours in the next month or so).

To the OP:

Of course the middlish games are getting harder. They will continue to get harder as long as what's considered common poker knowledge moves closer and closer to correct game theory. Think of all the stuff we've smoothed out in the last year in this forum. No more people hyperventilating about protecting their hands, people not freaking out whenever somebody semi/pure-bluffs, an improved emphasis on hand reading etc.

Things like the 2+2 message boards, Stox videos, and the availability of lots of good blogs means that people are going to work their way up through the limits, learn this stuff, improve upon it, and leave a trail of even better material behind them. I call it the power creep, and it'll probably go on for quite a while yet. Luckily, all these resources are just as available to your serious player as your daily semi-fish, and it's not how well you play that matters, but how much better you play.

[GemiNiveK]

You can crush the 10/20 5max at Ongame (PokerRoom) skins all day. Variance is high (20-22BB/100 std. dev.) and the rake sucks but the profit is worth it IMHO.

[bugstud]

the quick answer is yes.

[sweetjazz]

I don't think the 10/20 is *that* much harder from when I first started playing it, which was just over a year ago.

There is a slightly higher percentage of players who have good starting hand selection, there is a slightly higher percentage of players who are competent, or semi-competent, postflop. Moreover, these slight increases are compounded because the better players multitable. And the rake structure is worse, which definitely hurts the winrate.

All these things add up to make the game a bit tougher, but still very beatable.

[admiralfluff]

It's also terrible *right* now. What's the deal with that?

[NLSoldier]

OP: Yes.

[augie_]

there are plenty of good 10/20 6max games out there

[Victor]

bryce, i disagree with just about everything in your post.