How do I REALLY win at cash NL. Play Tight or Loose?

[Shandrax]

Tournaments and cash games are completely different animals. In cash games you cannot threaten people with their tournament survival. In cash games you cannot bully the short stacks, because they simply move in on you. Also the antes are low, so blind stealing makes less sense. Overall NL cash games are more about trapping than winning with sheer aggression.

[hatebreed930]

the more hands u decide to play , the more u have to bluff/steal pots inorder to compensate for ur loose gambling. also u must be very good at getting away from 2nd best hands
us pros do these 2 things the best thats why u can get away with playing many hands. but for a beginner i would recomend playing 25-30% of hands u can increase that when u become seasoned.

[bkellog1]

Don't play NL200 again with only $280 in your bankroll. Your underrolled even for NL25, but whatever. NL25 is very beatable if your a good player. You should be beating it for atleast 8 or 9 PTBB. If your playing FR you need to be a TAG. Good luck and play within your bankroll. By the way, to play NL200 it is recommended that you have a $4000 bankroll (20 buy ins) at least. I waited untill I had $1500 before I moved up to NL50, but then again im very conservative when it comes to bankrolls.

[Minnie Man]

Wait a minute. I was playing 30-35% which I thought was high. Then I read this thread:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...Number=5892078

The max VP$IP is less than 30%. The average is 20%. Now I am confused. Is 30% of hands way too much to play?

[themandude]

You know guys I played classic TAGG in the beggining. You don't get payed off on your hands (10max) and I remmber just preflop raising AA and everyone in the table folds my VPIP was only like 25%. Anyways I have no loosened up my game and play six max where all the fish and loose guys play. I play loose with them but have the skills to know when to lay it down. TAgg is boring and steady, loose is fun and profitable if you are a solid player already.

[DcifrThs]

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Wait a minute. I was playing 30-35% which I thought was high. Then I read this thread:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...Number=5892078

The max VP$IP is less than 30%. The average is 20%. Now I am confused. Is 30% of hands way too much to play?

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there are some flaws here.

most importantly though, why would you use statistics that dont even take win rate into acct (from what i can tell of that post) to judge your play and win rate?

if you are winning alot of money as a 30/20/1 or whatever, go with it. that just means you have above average hand reading skills or just play well for that limit/table etc.

for instance, it could be that while the majority of the winning player sample is 18/11/2 the biggest winners are 30/20/1...would you want to change then? what about if all the 18/11/2 players won the least amounts of money?

what's more important than anything here is how these stats correlate w/ win rate. dont change your game based on avg stats here imo.

although i will say that for a 10 handed game, 35% is very high. what is your win rate?

Barron

[Minnie Man]

Well, in a very short time (I started playing online only in the last handful of months), my winrate was 20BB/100 hands. I know, I know...this was a very small sample. I am still learning. I keep reading the forums and taking advice in from more experienced players. I am learning. I think I was playing too many hands, but too few is very boring...and frustrating at times. I think in the long run, my optimal play will be about 30% or slightly higher. I don't hang on to too many hands when playing this many. On the other hand...when I play 20% of my hands and I get a good one, I have a hard time letting go. I have way too few hands to determine things yet.

Thanks all for the great advice. I can't wait to feel like I know enough to give others advice!

[Bill King]

if you want to learn how to destroy NL games and lose friends.. read EVERY Grimstarr post.

ty, g'night.

[LozColbert]

Get better at poker. Seriously. That's the answer you need to be given. Obsess about theory, statistics and what the right move is. Learn how to weigh and balance different principles.