Crash course in PLO needed - Page 2

PLOlover · #11 10-04-2006, 04:28 PM

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If all you ever do is bet when you have it, people learn, and never pay you off. The frequency of bluffing opportunites is much lower than most other games, but bluffing is still an integral part of Omaha. Its still poker after all.

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Rolf's new book has some on this picking up smaller pots when you have a deep stack vs. getting all in with best hand with short stack.

wazz · #12 10-04-2006, 05:10 PM

I contend that there are more bluffing opportunities available in PLO than NLHE.

BriMc · #13 10-04-2006, 05:22 PM

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I contend that there are more bluffing opportunities available in PLO than NLHE.

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Interesting, tell me more please.

OmahaGal · #14 10-04-2006, 07:23 PM

Of course, this is true - I shouldn't say never bluff and made it seem inconsequential - this is not true, but I do think bluffing in Omaha should be approached differently. 50% of players seeing the flop online and in Omaha, that spells trouble for bluffing fools who may not appreciate all variables in Omaha.

My point is simply that the amount of bluffing that one can use successfully in NLHE is far greater than in PLO. Am I really that far off here? I usually come out on top against these players, especially in tournaments. I'm way ahead in PLO; it's the PLO8 I am struggling with at 50%.

For someone who wants a crash course, I don't think 'behaving' like a typical NLHE player is a good approach to PLO when you are against players who have a better feel for the game and it's 'bad beats'. Guarding against it is probably a better approach at first, no? Even mostly conservative play during a session in PLO can get you out with a profit.

wazz · #15 10-04-2006, 08:52 PM

I've written and rewritten a reply to this 3 times but I'm not happy with any of my versions. All I can say is that omaha is a game where you can develope better reads on your opponents, where aggression and position is key, and where most flops DON'T miss most opponents whereas the opposite is true in HE.

I'm actually in the process of writing a series of articles on OH. I'm not entirely happy with what I've written and may submit sections of it to you guys for review. Until then, I'll say that from $1/$2 and upwards MOST players can be bluffed in the right spots and this skill is very +EV. I am technically only OK at this game but I average over 11 PTBB at all levels, and estimate that about 3 or 4 of that is down to bluffing.

RoundTower · #16 10-04-2006, 09:37 PM

I bluff a lot more playing Omaha than Holdem, definitely more successfully. But this might be because my hand reading in hold'em sucks and I tilt while playing it.

wazz · #17 10-04-2006, 09:54 PM

This is my most memorable bluff. It is certainly not my best but UTG+1 is very strong, one of the best players I encountered at ongame. What do you put him on, and in his shoes what would you put me on? On what turns can I realistically continue my bluff?

Poker Room skin
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $5/$5
7 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $495.00
UTG+1: $620.05
Hero: $832.00
CO: $471.50
Button: $1.059.50
SB: $752.00
BB: $400.00

Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is MP1 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $20, Hero calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($80, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets $80, Hero raises to $200, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($480, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $200, UTG+1 folds.
Uncalled bets: $200 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $480
Hero shows 6S 4S 7C 9H

wazz · #18 10-04-2006, 10:00 PM

Bluffs are more fun when you're deep-stacked. Here I'm representing at worst top two pair with the nut flush draw, but more likely a set with NFD.

Poker Room skin
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $5/$5
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $366.50
Hero: $2.119.45
Button: $499.00
SB: $2.469.20
BB: $117.10

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Hero raises to $20, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($60, 3 players)
SB bets $30, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($120, 2 players)
SB bets $40, Hero raises to $200, SB calls.

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($520, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $375, SB folds.
Uncalled bets: $375 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $520
Hero shows 3H 8D QD10H

wazz · #19 10-04-2006, 10:08 PM

Sometimes I am reckless against fishies but still have a money read.

Poker Room skin
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $5/$5
2 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
SB: $242.00
Hero: $318.15

Pre-flop: (2 players) Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
SB checks, Hero checks.
Uncalled bets: $5 returned to .

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($5, 2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $10, Hero raises to $40, SB calls.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($85, 2 players)
Hero bets $90, SB calls.

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($265, 2 players)
Hero is all-in $183.15, SB folds.
Uncalled bets: $183.15 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $265

beset · #20 10-05-2006, 07:14 AM

NHs