KQs in NL tourney preflop? - Page 2

iH8poker · #11 10-03-2006, 12:32 AM

Yea, I don't think that is too bad either, but you gotta ask yourself, what is a good flop here and the chances? I haven't calculated it exact, but you got to call 20% of the pot. Your awesome flops are 3 flush, 9TJ or AJT, KKX or QQx, or KQx...I don't know the odds of those, but I figure they are low. Anyone know the chances of either of those 6 floping (combined)? Then you got JTx or flush, flush, x.

But let's say it's Kxx. He has $2k and the pot is $2.5k at this point. I like pushing here but that is probably the worst move as only better hands call you. If you check, I guess you can fold an all-in (your saying that you'll lose 65% of the time or more) but it would be a hard fold. I'd feel a bit better about calling his all in than pushing my own (and seeing if he calls [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img] )

But the actually flop was h,h,A. So I had 2 of my suit, and there is an Ace. Can you fold? Not really...the flush will complete about 35% of the time, so you have pot odds on that alone, plus the minor JT, KK, QQ runners possibilities. So you gotta push for fold equity...I guess KK or QQ would fold if you pushed, and possibly AQ. That leaves only AK or AA [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] calling you, and your draws beat them...so the push is good.

Hum...I don't know but after looking at it that way maybe the call is worth, as you need a playable hand only 1/5 of the time.

iH8poker

Sherman · #12 10-03-2006, 12:36 AM

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only against a super conservative player would i fold. against any other i would call to see a flop simply based on the pot odds. if you outdraw him, the implied odds are good that you can now take control of the table with a the big stack, and if you muck post-flop when you hit nothing, you still have decent chip position for now.

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OMG! KQs sucks against an EP raise. I'd rather have 87s than KQs. You are far too often dominated with hand like KQs than with low connecting cards. Not to mention the fact that you don't even have great position in this hand yourself (still plenty of people who haven't acted yet).

Garbage garbage garbage. Throw the damn thing away!

MAF · #13 10-03-2006, 12:22 PM

What are you expecting to be beating pre-flop? Against a raise & reraise, I think you're looking at either a high pair, or a strong A, even more so with a tight player.

Under these conditions, KQs is effectively a drawing hand as you are very unlikely to be ahead.

Fold IMO.

seke2 · #14 10-03-2006, 01:04 PM

Fold to the first raise preflop, especially if your read on the first guy was that he was solid. You put him on a little pair because that's what you wanted him to have. In reality, his range of raising hands certainly include AK and AQ.

The way you played it, I might call the reraise in hopes that the first raiser would just call and not reraise, but I'd probably usually fold at that point too because my implied odds aren't great and I don't even want to go broke with top pair given the preflop action, it's basically turned into a drawing hand for flush/straight draws.

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