Monumental mistake by Wasicka in the ME? - Page 2

Tyler Durden · #11 09-27-2006, 12:21 PM

He was damned no matter what his action was after Gold moved in. If he called off his stack with that draw then Binger would have probably folded and if he doesn't get there, he gets flamed to high hell for passing up a good chance at 2 million dollars more.

What I'm saying is, people would call him a moron no matter what he decided and no matter what the outcome of the hand was.

illegit · #12 09-27-2006, 12:21 PM

Calling is made more unattractive because, even though it appears Binger is potstuck, he could now fold his hand and just possibly get 2nd just by getting out of the way and folding. If Binger had moved in and Jamie re-shoved then i think the call is a lot easier.

fukkeneh · #13 09-27-2006, 12:26 PM

Would of been a terrible call, because Wisicka has to be concerned about all of his outs being live.

For example if Gold held KsQs, he is no longer at least 50% in the hand.

BTW I would of preferred that call to the call with the TT, HU.

IcyHotMonkey · #14 09-27-2006, 12:26 PM

I disagree. If he called and missed. Then he called and missed. I wouldn't call him a moron since I would have called and missed.

p.s. called and missed.

registrar · #15 09-27-2006, 12:26 PM

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There is a massive difference between $4m and 6m... 2m to be exact. But I agree, top3 WSOP FT, go for first. In fact I'd insta call it.

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I real terms, what difference is there? What more can you do with $6m that you can't do with $4m? This isn't a poker question and the answer is personal but I tend to believe (possibly misguidedly) that all my financial ambitions would be satisfied as soon as I won $2m - the rest is poker and competition and primacy and status.

Yo Adrians! · #16 09-27-2006, 12:27 PM

If folding a hand where I have no pair, and a two-card draw to the nuts means I have a strong chance of making $3 million more in a tournament, I'd consider making it.

Looking at it now, and seeing what the river card was, it's easy for us to question. And yeah, if he really wanted to win the tournament and take a run at Gold, going all in would've been a fine play.

I just think it's tough for us to second-guess Wasicka when we weren't there. Could you make that call on a draw when, by folding, you could win $2 or $3 million? I'm not so sure I could.

IcyHotMonkey · #17 09-27-2006, 12:45 PM

I understand what you're saying. But why would your financial ambitions be satisfied if you won 2m? Because you can buy a house, live off interest, create a hefty retirement account? What do millionaires do with millions, most of the time, is create millions more. 6m is three times that of 2m. duh.
I agree all I need is 2m. But with that 2m my goal would be turning it into more, with little risk of course. A lot easier turning 6m into 10m then 2m into 10m and so on.

gobboboy · #18 09-27-2006, 12:45 PM

There's no chance in hell I fold this hand. Ever.

BigAlK · #19 09-27-2006, 12:50 PM

There was an enormous amount of discussion on this in the WSOP forum (not sure where those threads are now) and I suspect probably one in the televised poker forum now. At least in the original discussion in the WSOP forum the responses fell into two camps, just like here. "OMG, why wasn't he playing for first with that big draw" and "why risk getting crippled and finishing 3rd."

Personally I'm a fence sitter. I'd like to think I'd make what I think is the correct poker decision and call. But when you're talking that amount of money and taking the almost sure 2nd vs risking finishing 3rd for a better shot at 1st I can see other, non-poker, considerations coming into play. I doubt there are very many people to who $2m isn't a big deal. However, to respond to Registar's point, $2m doesn't go as far as it used to. A lot would depend on your goals and what, if anything, you'd like to use your high ME finish to accomplish.

2Fast · #20 09-27-2006, 01:18 PM

Binger insta-called after Wasicka folded. I think if I was Wasicka I instacall given the hands Gold was playing and the good chance to double or even triple up, but given the money at stake I could have seem myself folding. Gold hit his straight on the turn but the Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] would have given Wasicka the winning flush (not being results oriented just explaining what happened).