A lesson in kickers

[jay_shark]

I don't understand you .

Give me king queen over ace 2 any day . I really think you're missing the point .

[kash munni]

jay u just invent this?

[Paxosmotic]

I will make you a deal. We will both sit with 10k at a game of 1/2. Each street of every hand must be capped. 12 bets will go in from each of us on every hand. I get A2 every hand, you get KQ every hand. We play until one of us is broke.

[theseus51]

It's not so much A2 will win more against KQ, it's that KQ is a much easier hand to play, and makes stronger hands than A2. With KQ heads up, if you hit either the K or Q, it's a strong hand. With A2, if you hit the 2, that's pretty weak. If you hit the A, you can't feel too comfortable if you get played back at.

Like I think most of us would rather have 89 rather than something like Q6, even though Q6 is statistically stronger in a heads up match. Just my thoughts. =)

[Paxosmotic]

I just think the whole thing is absurd. That's really all my post was meant to convey. You can't just add the value of your cards together to get their strength.

[Dromar]

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I will make you a deal. We will both sit with 10k at a game of 1/2. Each street of every hand must be capped. 12 bets will go in from each of us on every hand. I get A2 every hand, you get KQ every hand. We play until one of us is broke.

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I don't get what you're trying to accomplish by arguing this Pax. The fact is KQ has two strong kickers, and A2 has only one. This is exemplified by the hand values assigned by OP. In no way does OP claim that KQ has an edge over A2.

Others are claiming that KQ is better than A2 in a HU match, more specifically in imperfect information situations, essentially because it "plays better." I agree. And one very important reason that it "plays better" is that it can make two strong pairs with strong kickers, while A2 can make no strong pairs with strong kickers.

[Dromar]

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The problem with most players is that they use pokerstove too often.

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In my experience, the opposite is true.

[jay_shark]

Yes Kash ,I was just playing around with trying to locate the median . Kickers are very important in heads up play and this type of reasoning gives you a good idea of the monetary worth of each hand .

Ie, ace jack is close in value with king queen . They both add up to 25 .

[omgwtfnoway]

lesson in kickers: the higher your kicker the better
sorry but i think this thread is pretty much useless strategically

[jay_shark]

Fair enough , your thoughts are always appreciated .

I do believe a small lesson is to be learned here .

KQ > A2 because of the sum of your kickers . It is a good estimate .