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Old 01-26-2006, 12:20 PM
vypremik vypremik is offline
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Default Re: A play that works 99%....if

There is another way to look at this. Think about why someone would play this way up to the turn and then either call or raise your bet on the river.

1) A beginner who hit any part of the board may call the river bet.

2) A caling machine with a medium to strong hand will call the bet.

3) Someone slow playing will raise the river.

4) A very good player may see your move as an attempt to steal and go over the top.

5) A pro may call your bet to get information.

6) Your table image may make any perceptive player call.

There may be a few other cases, but I do think it is a profitable play if you use it conservatively. I think 99% is a bit optimistic at most tables, though.
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Old 01-26-2006, 01:09 PM
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Default Re: A play that works 99%....if

Anyone who this works on caught air on the flop and is drawing.
If thats the case your missing value on the turn.

If somone catches second pair on the flop, they will call you on the river, where firing a second barrel at the turn often gets them to fold.
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Old 01-27-2006, 12:02 AM
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Default Re: A play that works 99%....if

who's screening sign-ups for brains. They should be fired.
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Old 01-27-2006, 01:57 AM
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Default Re: A play that works 99%....if

Funny...this gets called for me 99% of the time...similar to betting the flop with a draw, then checking the turn to get a free card. When you check the turn, you are announcing to the world that you are drawing and only a clueless player would fold a pair if your line goes bet, check, bet.
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Old 01-27-2006, 02:47 AM
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Default Re: A play that works 99%....if

Let's make a prop bet. I'll do this. Every time my opponent folds I'll pay you $1, and every time he doesn't, you pay me $99.
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Old 01-27-2006, 04:22 AM
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Default Re: A play that works 99%....if

Settle down, it was just an observation I was sharing with you guys. Take it for whatever it's worth, nothing more, nothing less. That is great, you have your opinions on the situation wether it be stupid, funny, worth thinking about, etc. I say and ask unusual things being creative or just dumb as rocks but it costs nothing to ask.
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Old 01-27-2006, 09:03 AM
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Default Re: A play that works 99%....if

We are talking fixed limit holdem, right?

The point of betting river is not to make him fold and win the pot, it is to make him fold a better hand or call a worse. (read TOP) None of those things will happen very often if u got something little like a small pair or A-high.

Normally u should bet if u got a hopeless hand, bet if u got a good hand and checkcall if u got something little. But of course its player- and board-dependent.

Get the feeling u think u have found a nice theory to show the turncheck is a mastermove headsup. It normally isnt. When u move up in limits u will play more and more aggressive player and then your turncheck will give u problem on the turn, not give u a chance to bluff river.
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Old 01-27-2006, 12:28 PM
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Default Re: A play that works 99%....if

Odd, because I do this specifically to extract a river bet/call from more aggressive players. I'll have AJ or something similar and the flop will come A92 rainbow. Since he's aggressive, he's leading or check/raising if he caught anything. If he check/calls, I know he's peeling and will fold the turn.

So, I'll often check behind on a blank turn. At this point the aggressive player will frequently lead with total air or call with K-high or some smaller made pair.

It gives them a free card, but I typically only do it if my read says they have absolutely nothing. If he lead or raised me on the flop, I'm leading or raising the turn because he's going to showdown anyway.
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Old 01-27-2006, 01:04 PM
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Default When a bluff really isnt a bluff

Much of the time when you bet that river and he folds, you had the best hand anyway - even if it was just 1 overcard. Which means (as has already been said) why not bet the turn.
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Old 01-27-2006, 01:47 PM
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Default Re: When a bluff really isnt a bluff

Yes, I'm talking LHE and no higher than 5/10 stakes since I don't play much higher than that other than hit and runs.

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