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unlucky513 · #11 01-25-2006, 01:22 PM

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I don't agree with this. Flat calling from early position with deep money is pretty standard. After all, your goal is to get allin preflop.

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With deep stacks, the last thing I want to do is get it in preflop, even with AA (unless they have AK, but obviously if they want to get it in preflop that's only one of several hands they can have). When I say deep I mean above 50 bb's, simply because the 20% chance I have of being crippled is something I tend to avoid.

Chances are, if he has something strong (AK, KK, QQ, even JJ) and the flop isn't terrible for both of you, he's getting it in on the flop too. Let your hand be defined a little bit more. Besides, if you DON'T reraise preflop and you raise his flop bet, he will likely think his overpair is good more often than not.

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i have like 22 BB's, thats not deep...

and why wouldnt you want to get all your chips in with aces, no matter the stack sizes. i don't understand your post.

gobboboy · #12 01-25-2006, 01:30 PM

20% chance of immediately being out of the tournament isn't something that I would say I'm jumping to do when I have a huge stack. If you can avoid extremely high variance situations once in a while your game will improve drastically. Getting it in preflop with the best hand doesn't allow you the ability to say 'well, I got unlucky.' You could've done something different to allow yourself maybe less EV but much less variance. I would rather go for a 10% chance of being busted out for half the chips I would receive otherwise.

If someone pushed in on the first hand of the WSOP main event and I had aces, I would consider folding. One of the main problems with MTT's is the extreme variance. I don't make tons of final tables by playing all my hands for all my chips.

betgo · #13 01-25-2006, 01:34 PM

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20% chance of immediately being out of the tournament isn't something that I would say I'm jumping to do when I have a huge stack. If you can avoid extremely high variance situations once in a while your game will improve drastically. Getting it in preflop with the best hand doesn't allow you the ability to say 'well, I got unlucky.' You could've done something different to allow yourself maybe less EV but much less variance. I would rather go for a 10% chance of being busted out for half the chips I would receive otherwise.

If someone pushed in on the first hand of the WSOP main event and I had aces, I would consider folding. One of the main problems with MTT's is the extreme variance. I don't make tons of final tables by playing all my hands for all my chips.

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Are you a winning player?

gobboboy · #14 01-25-2006, 01:55 PM

This is an extreme example of what I'm talking about, and I certainly would take someone punting all their chips at me with aces in an online tournament simply because of how many we can do. But a reraise isn't automatic here simply because you can better judge position on the flop against terrible players and minimize variance.

pat1999 · #15 01-25-2006, 02:05 PM

i dont think this is the right time to get greedy here so hoping for another caller who will have position on you is not a good idea...you can just smooth call if you think everyone will fold...but i would put in a raise big enough to make sure everyone but UTG folded...this could prob be done by putting 1 or 2 more bb;s on top of his raise...maybe even 3 to be safe...

gobboboy · #16 01-25-2006, 02:15 PM

Sorry for the thread hijack.

Anyway, this is a clear reraise. You don't want to play AA against so many people.

Jaksiel · #17 01-25-2006, 02:17 PM

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If someone pushed in on the first hand of the WSOP main event and I had aces, I would consider folding.

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That's a huge mistake. Successful poker players don't pass up huge, huge edges like that.

BettyBoopAA · #18 01-25-2006, 02:21 PM

This is not a time to be cute, reraise to 2500 and hope the mini raiser has a big hand. This is the time to attack and make the most of the situation.
I'll take the AA and the variance every time.

gobboboy · #19 01-25-2006, 02:25 PM

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If someone pushed in on the first hand of the WSOP main event and I had aces, I would consider folding.

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That's a huge mistake. Successful poker players don't pass up huge, huge edges like that.

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Have you ever considered it? Obviously not. I probably still wouldn't even fold it, but I would CONSIDER it. Poker is not a game of absolutes.

rockin · #20 01-25-2006, 02:27 PM

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If someone pushed in on the first hand of the WSOP main event and I had aces, I would consider folding.

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That's a huge mistake. Successful poker players don't pass up huge, huge edges like that.

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NOT ALL professional poker players risk it all on one hand. Many prefer to "grind" it out with small edges and positional advantages rather than risking it all with one shot. Sorry, got to agree with gobbo here.

Now with shorter stack, like the one here (22 BB's), I can make a case for this push. But it's not unreasonable to want to keep the pot manageable for the reason's gobbo stated.