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Old 08-30-2006, 10:09 PM
Cyrus247 Cyrus247 is offline
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Default Re: 3/6: 76s flops second pair on the button.

Preflop: I believe that you played this just fine being on the button. There was enough action to justify wanting to play. (I usually like 4+ to play connectors anytime)

Flop:
His raise screams one of two things to me. He either has an ace or a pair higher than a 7. You don't have a straight potential, you don't have a flush potential and you are only middle pair.

I'd either check/call or bet/call with check/call being my play of choice. You want to see if you can improve for a single bet. Just my taste there.
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Old 08-30-2006, 10:20 PM
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Default Re: 3/6: 76s flops second pair on the button.

TripleH,

I like the flop bet but I think when you 3bet the flop it's pretty much a bluff. Even if UTG1 is making a play, if he's making a play with a 7 it beats yours, and if he's doing it with a PP it's probably 88/99ish. Add the fact that BB is still in there, and they probably don't both have draws. I'd rather just peel to the first c/r. As you played it if villain shows any more aggression I'm pretty much done, though if he caps I will take a look at the turn.
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Old 08-30-2006, 11:36 PM
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Default Re: 3/6: 76s flops second pair on the button.

You can't know that your 3 bet will knock out BB. Instead, it looks like you are forcing an opportunity to make your nemesis cold call you. And how can that be worth getting capped by your raiser? If you are ahead, your lead is perilous as best and your hand has lost all power of straights or flushes. So you increase your aggression as your hand gets worse?

If UTG+1 doesn't have an Ace, what is he raising on? I would raise pockets higher than 7's which puts you behind.

This doesn't look like a good hand for non-standard play. I would check the flop around. I am trying to protect a 2nd pair with a krap kicker. I have a chance to see a turn card for free, take it. u/i its is b/f. If I hit two pairs or a set with the turn card, and then I am a player.
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Old 08-30-2006, 11:55 PM
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Default Re: 3/6: 76s flops second pair on the button.

As played, if not capped, I'd bet the turn in hopes to take a free showdown. If I'm shown any more aggression I think it becomes a simple odds question whether or not we will call additional bets to the river (we prob can fold though given that 2 of our 5 outs are tainted.

I think the flop 3-bet is a more curious play though. Would UTG+1 c/r the flop w/a flush draw? I could see something like K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]10[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or 10[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in his range here if that is the case. We also have the CO to worry about. Is he capable of folding a small A? I can see him having a flush draw here a good portion of the time as well. Basicvally, I don't like the 3-bet because a parlay of events need to happen for it to work out, and the size of the pot doesn't help your case either here.

On a side note, I like the flop bet.
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Old 08-31-2006, 12:03 AM
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Default Re: 3/6: 76s flops second pair on the button.

Without any flush possibility, the fact that there was no raise pre-flop, and a flop check-raise usually indicating at least top pair, I would fold. I would not always bet the flop, here, either.

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Old 08-31-2006, 12:24 AM
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Default Re: 3/6: 76s flops second pair on the button.

i like a check fold here
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Old 08-31-2006, 12:46 AM
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Default Re: 3/6: 76s flops second pair on the button.

I don't get why people are so keen to fold the flop. Yeah, we got checkraised. But we're getting 10:1, probably, with position on both villains, in a situation where basically one of our 5 outs is tainted (we could lose hitting any of our outs of course, but position + the small overlay makes up for any of that imo). If the BB call/3bets I could see a fold despite the bigger pot because that's basically aces up/set/flushdraw, and if he has the flush draw that means UTG1 doesn't.
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Old 08-31-2006, 12:50 AM
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Default Re: 3/6: 76s flops second pair on the button.

While the flop bet may be OK, why the 3bet? Most 3/6 games I play in there is little to no chance of bluffing on the flop. Also the board seems pretty scary.. two clubs, an overcard, while Hero only has middle pair, no kicker, no flush/strait draws.
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Old 08-31-2006, 05:56 PM
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Default Re: 3/6: 76s flops second pair on the button.

[ QUOTE ]
PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB is my nemesis at this table. A little loose preflop, average postflop but he has been getting lucky tonight.
Loves to wait until the turn to raise.

UTG+1 is 24/13/1.85. I realize suited aces are likely in his range this hand,
but he could easily be making a play with a number of different holdings.

CO is average/weak.

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB checks.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>...

What's my play from here?
Suggest an alternate line?

[/ QUOTE ]

In case you are wondering why I have not advanced to action on the turn - BB and UTG+1 folded without hesitation.

I posted because I was unsure of my plan if called or capped. I made the play on impulse and after much thought I think this was a good play. I had position, pretty good reads and I think I give up on too many marginal hands. Sort of the old if I'm going to play this hand on the button I can't be running away from it every time it halfway hits.

Thanks for the replies. Oh and I do think the flop bet was mandatory.
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Old 08-31-2006, 06:32 PM
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Default Re: 3/6: 76s flops second pair on the button.

Wow. You confused the posters with your 3-bet here. There's no consensus on this hand at all.

My $.02.
The flop bet is mandatory. It's extremely poor poker to check this through.

I don't like the 3-bet at all. Maybe you had stronger reads than you indicated in your OP. What makes you think neither BB or UTG have an A?

As played, fold to any extra aggression, except you can wait till the turn to fold UI to a flop cap. Lacking aggression, bet the turn and check behind on the river.

Make a note on UTG. c/ring on a full bluff with 2 people already in and no immediate fold equity is an uncommon play.
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