Two hands from LIVE 5k max-buy in private home game - Page 2

psyduck · #11 08-30-2006, 01:26 AM

I would raise hand 1 just because I had preflop initiative and believe that I can take him off his mid pocket pair on the flop a very large % of the time.

Hand 2, what is the question? His most likely hand is a flush and you went runner runner full house. It's not like you're super deep and have to worry about a 4-bet with 200 bb stacks or something. Just put it in and expect to be good most of the time.

Kirkrrr · #12 08-30-2006, 01:43 AM

Hand 1: Not the greatest spot to be in against someone you don't know at all (and shouldn't have 3-bet pf with K9 - 62o is much better for that purpose). I'd call the flop and try to get a read on the turn. If he seems the least beat shaky when he bets it, push.

Hand 2: Just push, it's about a PSB anyway.

Kirk

PrimogenitoX · #13 08-30-2006, 02:12 AM

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Hand 1: Not the greatest spot to be in against someone you don't know at all (and shouldn't have 3-bet pf with K9 - 62o is much better for that purpose). I'd call the flop and try to get a read on the turn. If he seems the least beat shaky when he bets it, push.

Hand 2: Just push, it's a little more than a minraise anyway.

Kirk

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FYP

durrrr · #14 08-30-2006, 02:36 AM

wtf pf is fine in hand 1. Flop is interesting i think all 3 options are ok (call, raise 1800ish, shove)

in hand 2... u have a full house- in a live game...

durrrr · #15 08-30-2006, 02:37 AM

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ur really really off imo.

dlpnyc21 · #16 08-30-2006, 02:40 AM

In hand 1, I decided to raise to 1700, which was a really bad raise in retrospect because I should have just made a huge raise to show him I was never folding and therefore had more FE. He deliberated for not too long and shoved, I had to call and I didn't suck out vs. his KK.

Hand 2: I decided I was beating a flush and he might call off with a flush in this range. He tanked it, stood up from the table, counted the pot, and after about 5 minutes he called with A3, value shove no good.

I think hand 1 is mostly a call, or if I raise it, I should raise bigger in order to conteract the perception that he has FE.

In hand 2, I guess the river is a raise vs. his range, especially since we just got there and the proverbial "wheels" have come off the game.

flawless_victory · #17 08-30-2006, 02:55 AM

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(and shouldn't have 3-bet pf with K9 - 62o is much better for that purpose)

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ur really really off imo.

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LOL, i like the "imo"... as if this was debatable.

TopThis · #18 08-30-2006, 07:07 AM

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Hand 1:
A new player I haven't met before shows up

he makes it 150 in the cutoff I make it 475 on the button with K9dd. Everyone else folds and he calls OOP.

I don't know much about his capabilities as a player

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call the flop. live games are so much easier with reads, I think you can get a better spot after you see more from him.

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Hand 2:
the SB who is the host of the game and a fairly decent player

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You have to have a read on this guy. If he's capable of calling a shove on the end with a flush, you shove. If not you call. This hand sounds more like a tough beat post.

Kirkrrr · #19 08-30-2006, 11:28 AM

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(and shouldn't have 3-bet pf with K9 - 62o is much better for that purpose)

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ur really really off imo.

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LOL, i like the "imo"... as if this was debatable.

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It's very debatable, 'imo'. Pre-flop was basically a resteal from someone he percieved to be overaggressive based on seeing him play 4 hands. The problem is, he picked a hand that's easily dominated in a number of ways and can get him in trouble post-flop. With 6,2o you know exactly where you stand and don't have to play any guessing games. To the obv forthcoming response of "well, that's called playing poker," while that may be true, setting yourself up for tough decisions from flop on is NOT the key to winning the game.

Now tell me how I'm so way off that "it's not even debatable."

Kirk

dlpnyc21 · #20 08-30-2006, 02:23 PM

The point of my 3-bet preflop was obviously a resteal, but I wanted to immediately establish a LAG image in the game and put myself in a position where I am the one doing the running over, and not vice versa. However, I think I probably could have picked a better hand to do it with, b/c I do agree that K9dd is too often dominated. I also probably should have raised but larger to his flop bet, so that, if he does have 1010-QQ, he is put in a really bad spot.
Thx.

I still am not sure what's best (between calling and raising) but there are definitely merits to both.