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Old 08-29-2006, 10:00 AM
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Default Re: AJo preflop

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Old 08-29-2006, 11:17 AM
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Default Re: AJo preflop

multiway pot, unsuited, oop after the flop, I've been checking in this situation. With say the SB and/or one limper I'm comfortable with a raise.
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Old 08-29-2006, 11:28 AM
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Yeah, party´s got .o5/.1 You can find it under beginners.
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Old 08-29-2006, 12:13 PM
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Default Re: AJo preflop

It's kind of a toss-up to call or raise. My experience at PS .25/.50 makes this a raise for two reasons: 1) they call with really really terrible hands (ace-crap is probably out there twice), and B) I want to look strong when the ace flops to get chasers out. So for “image” on this hand I want to look strong and getting stronger to knock people out.

Yes, this differs from SSHE. Take the training wheels off.
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Old 08-29-2006, 12:24 PM
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Default Re: AJo preflop

I have changed how I play AJo, largely due to small stakes thread and here.

I will raise UTG with AJo for many reasons.

1) It drives out the limper hands
2) It can be tricky playnig AJo against many players. The question of overcalls comes into play. Reraising is difficult - just a troubling hand.
3) If you get reraised and the you lead the Ace flop and get reraised - makes it easy to get away from.

That all being said, in the blinds I just call. You can't drive anyone out. You increase the pot making it correct to call two cold on the flop or turn to the limpers. Why help them play their hands correctly on the later streets?
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Old 08-29-2006, 12:29 PM
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Default Re: AJo preflop

I'm suprised by how many people said raise.

I think it's a somewhat routine (as much routine as possible for this game) check.

If you raise, everyone will call and their will be like 12 bets in the pot. If you hit your Ace or Jack and lead out - it's now 13:1 and everyone with any piece of the flop is coming along, and each person that does call, makes it more enticing for someone else to call.

I prefer a check to keep the pot manageable. Then based on the board texture - I'll decide between a bet and going for a CR.

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Old 08-29-2006, 12:37 PM
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Default Re: AJo preflop

I'm with Sarge. I like a check here. Sure, our preflop equity is probably pretty good, but it's not like our raise will put us all in and keep us from any unfavorable postflop spots. By checking, we not only control pot size, but also acknowledge that we're in an unfavorable position postflop. It'll be hard to capitalize on all of our preflop equity.
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Old 08-29-2006, 12:56 PM
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I generally check this in the BB against this many opponents. AJo is just not that good against this many opponents. There are two factors that lean towards raising, there is a poster that might fold and AJo is still likely a slight favorite against the remaining 4 players. I think a check is better, but a raise is not a much different for pre-flop decisions. But since you have to be prepared to lay this down with this many opponents, I would rather keep the pot small so I would not raise here.
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Old 08-29-2006, 01:00 PM
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Default Re: AJo preflop

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You've got a pretty big equity edge here in all likelihood.

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Here's an experiment to show the value of checking: Give the limpers a range you think is reasonable, then go stove vs. that range. Your edge is actually very thin here.
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Old 08-29-2006, 01:07 PM
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Default THE REST - THE FLOP

Here is what the flop looked like. Comments about the flop action, please :-)

Mp3 is 29vpip/ 6 pfr/ 3.5 postflop AF.

Party Poker 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. MP1 posts a blind of $0.05.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 (poster) checks, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, SB folds, Hero... ?
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