2/4 - Turn raise a donk bet

[cab4656]

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I play it the same way. Sure sometimes we have him beat, but more times than not you are going to be looking at a small weirdly played flop set, 99 or J9. AJ is a weird one to look out for in this spot too. Save the extra bets.

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Can you explain to me why we would want to raise here if we are facing a better hand? This seems to contradict the FTOP.

Buzz

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We don't know that we are facing a better hand until he 3bets us here.

I like the way you played this hand. With MP2 hanging around, I like the turn raise with the plan on taking a free showdown unimproved (or maybe even improved, depends, not sure).

If it had been heads up on the turn, I take my chances and just call down, betting the river if checked to.

[Folding Pete]

The only problem with this line is you are disregarding all the 54o,54s,94s,95s,j5s,j4s, and 78d he may have called in the BB plus possible weirdly or over played AA,QQ, A9d that you have seeable outs against.

As played with the MP2 already calling a bet on the turn then there is only 1 reason to raise the turn - for value.

I usually whimp out and call from the turn down precisely because I don't want to be three bet as I am a showdown monkey - especially when multi-tabling.

Basically your line is on the basis that he won't 3 bet the turn with worse than top two pair.

A donk 3 bet like this from a reasonable player means you are behind but you still have enough outs against enough of his BB range to get to the river and I hate folding in Big Pots - particularly when I am the one who has pummped them up.

[SeaEagle]

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As played with the MP2 already calling a bet on the turn then there is only 1 reason to raise the turn - for value.

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But hero is raising for value here. In my experience, the donk bet most often signifies a decent, but not killer, hand and villian doesn't want to see the turn checked through. It's not until he's 3-bet that hero realizes he was raising for anti-value.

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Basically your line is on the basis that he won't 3 bet the turn with worse than top two pair.

A donk 3 bet like this from a reasonable player means you are behind but you still have enough outs against enough of his BB range to get to the river and I hate folding in Big Pots - particularly when I am the one who has pummped them up.

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See my analysis above. If you assume that villian has 25 possible 2 pairs (not just top pair) and 10 possible sets, then hero doesn't have the outs to call.

As a note, if you add strangely played over-pairs into the equation, not much changes since they actually offer less outs than 2-pair hands.

[W. Deranged]

I think failing to raise pre-flop would be a pretty big error. MP open-limpers usually have crap. Raising provides likely value, initiative, and maybe force some blinds out and allow you to play a hand that is better short-handed in a short-handed pot.

[W. Deranged]

I think this hand is well-played. It sucks when we get three-bet, but that doesn't mean it wasn't correct to raise.

The presence of a third player in the pot is a good reason to believe that the EP dude isn't just messing around.

[ghostface]

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preflop: jko (haha, pun) is not strong enough to be raising here.

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yes it is