AA At 100NL

[grando]

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check turn, check/fold river

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I don't think checking the turn is a particularly good play with a billion draws out there

[calmasahinducow]

then shove the turn

[grando]

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Anybody with half a brain will bluff at this pot once you check the river.

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I agree, that's why I checked

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This is why you put out a small blocking bet and fold to the push, no matter what odds you're receiving, unless you've got some other read.

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getting over 5:1 at 100NL against someone I don't have a reliable read on?

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That being said, in this scenario the river was butchered, and you've got to fold, unless you want to call a huge bet from somebody you described as a calling station.

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what is the calling station betting on the river? it's either a bluff, a straight, or backdoor flush. he's not betting 1 pair or 2 pair, and he's probably not betting a set

[grando]

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then shove the turn

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over 75 bucks into a 24 dollar pot?

[calmasahinducow]

you are giving odds for your whole stack with your bet on the turn and your unwillingness to fold 1-pair. check for pot control or shove. If you check you can then check again to induce a bluff on the river and then call a reasonable bet assuming a reasonable card comes. If you shove you are only getting called by better hands and retards. Betting 22 dollars leaves your stack with an awkward size and no plan for the river. Your check to induce a bluff on the river is also laughable. What hands are you inducing bluffs from that you're gonna call? Someone is really gonna bet 10 dollars into the 72 dollar pot with A7 or JThh?

[grando]

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you are giving odds for your whole stack with your bet on the turn and your unwillingness to fold 1-pair. check for pot control or shove. If you check you can then check again to induce a bluff on the river and then call a reasonable bet assuming a reasonable card comes. If you shove you are only getting called by better hands and retards. Betting 22 dollars leaves your stack with an awkward size and no plan for the river. Your check to induce a bluff on the river is also laughable. What hands are you inducing bluffs from that you're gonna call? Someone is really gonna bet 10 dollars into the 72 dollar pot with A7 or JThh?

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betting 22 gives me a perfect amount for a river bet to put him all in if this stupid card doesn't come

since when does betting 22 on the turn "give odds for my whole stack"? this river card isn't the worst card to come out - I'm scared way more if an 8 or 3 or heart comes off here

I don't think checking or pushing the turn is a good play, but I can appreciate your criticism

[grando]

FWIW, I now think checking the river to induce a bluff is a bad play, cause there aren't a lot of hands he's bluffing here that don't have showdown value (i.e. he'd just check behind river)

[CaptainNurple]

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well I checked to induce a river bluff....

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<font color="red">Button pushes all in for about 60 bucks,</font> Hero ???

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now what?

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well I checked to induce a river bluff....

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You checked. What you were hoping for happened. Now you wonder what to do?

I'm not saying this to be a dick, it's a genuine question: why did you check hoping to induce a bluff if getting what you want is going to confuse you and make you unsure about what to do next?

I agree it's a tough spot. A really tough spot. Not sure what I like best here, but my point is merely that something isn't adding up about your thought process here, so it might be worth examining that.

Again, just what I observed in the way you worded everything above, my intention is to help, not to be snarky.

...as for me. With deeper stacks, I like a blocking bet of about $35, folding to a push. On the other hand, villain's push in this case would only put you at $25 more to call, so I see your dilemma.

Villain either has a straight, an over-pair, or a busted heart draw IMO. As said above I think a club flush is unlikely. If he's a true calling-station, you can add in an even wider possible range. So I might call in the end. If he hit his draw making calls like that then I expect to get my money back from him eventually.

As played I fold the river.

[grando]

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well I checked to induce a river bluff....

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<font color="red">Button pushes all in for about 60 bucks,</font> Hero ???

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now what?

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well I checked to induce a river bluff....

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You checked. What you were hoping for happened. Now you wonder what to do?

I'm not saying this to be a dick, it's a genuine question: why did you check hoping to induce a bluff if getting what you want is going to confuse you and make you unsure about what to do next?

I agree it's a tough spot. A really tough spot. Not sure what I like best here, but my point is merely that something isn't adding up about your thought process here, so it might be worth examining that.

Again, just what I observed in the way you worded everything above, my intention is to help, not to be snarky.

...as for me. With deeper stacks, I like a blocking bet of about $35, folding to a push. On the other hand, villain's push in this case would only put you at $25 more to call, so I see your dilemma.

Villain either has a straight, an over-pair, or a busted heart draw IMO. As said above I think a club flush is unlikely. If he's a true calling-station, you can add in an even wider possible range. So I might call in the end. If he hit his draw making calls like that then I expect to get my money back from him eventually.

As played I fold the river.

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I agree with everything that you've said here, and I don't take it to be snarky

I instacalled the river expecting to see JJ

instead I saw T8o, and decided to learn how to play it better for next time

to be honest, I'd probably rather toss out a donkey 5 dollar bet on the river then 35, cause the extra 30 bucks probably isn't doing anything different for me

[cbiz]

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you are giving odds for your whole stack with your bet on the turn and your unwillingness to fold 1-pair. check for pot control or shove. If you check you can then check again to induce a bluff on the river and then call a reasonable bet assuming a reasonable card comes. If you shove you are only getting called by better hands and retards. Betting 22 dollars leaves your stack with an awkward size and no plan for the river. Your check to induce a bluff on the river is also laughable. What hands are you inducing bluffs from that you're gonna call? Someone is really gonna bet 10 dollars into the 72 dollar pot with A7 or JThh?

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So you say check or shove but a shove only gets called by better hands?

I would bet the turn 80%+ against this guy who, without a better read, we consider a calling station. What do u do when you are against a calling station? Value bet.

On the river this is a tough one but i doubt this guys is going to bluff the river a lot but also bet/folding getting 5 to 1 sounds retarded so i guess i just check/fold.