($60) Whiffing AK with an awkward stack

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based on stacks and villain i actually think open limping pre is not that bad.

i think limping and pushing are both reasonable, the more i see stacks and the loose/active villain, the more a small open and c-bet is unappealing.

[FoldYourLife]

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I actually like limping best here because of the stack. A lot of people see this as weak and will raise to 400... then you push.

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The more I think about this, the more I like it. I wouldn't say it's the best line, but I think it has some merit...

[wpr101]

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I actually like limping best here because of the stack. A lot of people see this as weak and will raise to 400... then you push.

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The more I think about this, the more I like it. I wouldn't say it's the best line, but I think it has some merit...

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I made a thread a long time ago about how I used to struggle with these awkward stacks. Like I would have 1450 in mid position and have 99. Then raise 250/300 make a cbet and have to fold on a KQ4 board. Limping is underrated with the akward stack basically... but in this hand if I had 2000+ chips I would raise 100% of the time. Normally I hate limping but it is good with a bad stack... I don't know it takes awhile to sort of see why.

[FoldYourLife]

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I actually like limping best here because of the stack. A lot of people see this as weak and will raise to 400... then you push.

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The more I think about this, the more I like it. I wouldn't say it's the best line, but I think it has some merit...

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I made a thread a long time ago about how I used to struggle with these awkward stacks. Like I would have 1450 in mid position and have 99. Then raise 250/300 make a cbet and have to fold on a KQ4 board. Limping is underrated with the akward stack basically... but in this hand if I had 2000+ chips I would raise 100% of the time. Normally I hate limping but it is good with a bad stack... I don't know it takes awhile to sort of see why.

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I have to think about it a little bit, but I definitely like the concept. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[ManChild]

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i feel like the only two lines you can argue for consistently here is a 250-300/350 cbet line or just pushing preflop.

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250/300 is good
what is it that makes people decide to shove 16 BBs here? i dont understand how that makes ANY sense ---- its not pushbot time fellas

[FeNeF]

The more I think about it, the less I hate limping here. If someone raises that's nice and you can comfortably shove, if you see a flop then you get a cheap shot to hit TPTK, and if you miss you can get away without having lost half your stack.

Someone tell me why limping sucks?

[Green Kool Aid]

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250 preflop, then 350 on the flop and shut down after he calls you twice. you need to take your stack into consideration when betting, not just the blinds.

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Agreed. Everywhere that you can save chips is important.

[schwza]

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The more I think about it, the less I hate limping here. If someone raises that's nice and you can comfortably shove, if you see a flop then you get a cheap shot to hit TPTK, and if you miss you can get away without having lost half your stack.

Someone tell me why limping sucks?

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- picking up the blinds is very nice
- usually the action goes raise-call preflop, check-cbet-fold on the flop and you win a lot of chips.

i'd go 250 preflop (i always go 250 at the 50/100) and 425 on the flop. you want to discourage 44 from calling or QJ from getting cute somehow. then i'd give up.