WSOP ME hand #3 - My cards are basically face up on "scary" board

[NoahSD]

What's our raising range out of the BB with this many limpers preflop? I'm pretty sure I'm check/calling with that entire range here.

Edit: not that he knows that

[Exitonly]

i think i'm betting my entire range, which is something like 22-66(50%),77+,AJ+

[dmk]

i don't really like the hand at all.

on the flop, bet. if he raises or calls, big deal, move on to the next hand. the thing about being WA/WB here is that you're losing a lot more chips when WB than you will win when WA. its just too difficult to play a hand like this when you're deep OOP.

having c/c the flop, what was your intention when you checked the turn? i usually check/fold here. just wondering what your plans were.

on the river, bet 600. he'll freeze up and call w/ a lot of hands that you are both ahead and behind.

you made this hand way too difficult

[dmk]

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What's our raising range out of the BB with this many limpers preflop? I'm pretty sure I'm check/calling with that entire range here.

Edit: not that he knows that

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really? i'm betting my entire range

[NoahSD]

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i think i'm betting my entire range, which is something like 22-66(50%),77+,AJ+

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Jesus my range is tighter. I'm JJ+/AK.

OOP and stuff.

[dmk]

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i think i'm betting my entire range, which is something like 22-66(50%),77+,AJ+

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Jesus my range is tighter. I'm JJ+/AK.

OOP and stuff.

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exactly, we're OOP. so why make this hand so complicated by c/c the flop and being completely lost on the turn?

also, my range is probably something like JJ-AA/AQ-AK/76s and a few other random suited connectors

[Exitonly]

we're reallly deep, and most of the limpers fold to the raise, and the one that doesnt will fold to the flop 3/4pot-bet. Think you can open up quite a bit.


edit: i might take AJ out of my range here. but definitely lots of pairs and AQ+

[NoahSD]

dmk,
I think you're wrong here. With your preflop range, basically the only hand that's strong enough to be value betting this deep in this spot is AA, and the only hands weak enough to bluff are the suited connectors you throw in for shania. Because there are way more bluffs than value bets in that range, just betting them would be very exploitable. Mixing in some blalue bets with JJ-KK doesn't really solve the problem--your range is still heavily concentrated in hands that can't stand a raise.

Exit,
I don't get preflop deep stacked. I'm gonna have to learn if I ever wanna move to cash/play some 10k events.

[FGators]

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I think this is a fold on the river. That bet's big and looks like a value bet.

Also, I'm not convinced that this isn't an A... I think lots of people play an A this way.

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I agree. This definitely looks like an ace with a decent kicker, maybe Ax suited that hit two pair.

I think the river is a routine fold.

[A_PLUS]

I think it is a mistake to assume a monster or nuts type situation. He should be value betting any A here, but given that he knows we can't beat top pair, we should consider calling. I think this is still a fold, but it is close