The New Cold War

[andyfox]

"Islam is going to beat out liberal democracy in the long run because it has the moral imperative and unity to do so."

Haven't the Sunnis and Shiiites been at each others' throats since the death of Muhammad?

[kickabuck]

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I thought you were going to mention the growing rift between Russia and the United States. Regardless, Islam is going to beat out liberal democracy in the long run because it has the moral imperative and unity to do so. Liberal societies tend to split into factions and weaken, and without a united front will not withstand Islam in the decades to come. I prefer a society of shawarmas and subjected women to that of Big Macs and fat feminists anyway.

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Very unlikely Islam will beat out liberal democracy in the long run. How can a society that insists on half of its population remaining in the shadows ever prosper?

[jokerthief]

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I thought you were going to mention the growing rift between Russia and the United States. Regardless, Islam is going to beat out liberal democracy in the long run because it has the moral imperative and unity to do so. Liberal societies tend to split into factions and weaken, and without a united front will not withstand Islam in the decades to come. I prefer a society of shawarmas and subjected women to that of Big Macs and fat feminists anyway.

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A bit extreme, eh Peter?

Anyway, Islam is not going to beat liberal democracy (is Islam even fighting liberal democracy, i dont think so). However, Islam is not going away, regardless of how many bombs are dropped. For one thing the long term demographics act against its demise.

If Judaism can survive brutal oppression and hounding by the powers of those time, Islam too can survive the same that they are being subjected to.

So, for those who are fighting Islam, that is a losing battle. Fighting terrorism is fighting a political battle and that is where the victories and peace will come from -- if at all.

Incidentally, nothing quite like a Falafel in Jerusalem, with a bit of hummus, some eggplant, and all the fixings.

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Islam will go away. It's a matter of time (and not too long IMO). Technology and Knowledge will kill it along with Christianity, Hinduism, and other religions. Judaism is an example of what is to come of religion. Most "Jews" are secular and view Judaism as more of a philiosophy on life than a religion. The liberal Christian denominations are going in that direction too. Eventually, I think the whole paradigm of religion will just die out.

[natedogg]

But Andy don't you know? We've *always* been at war with Oceana.

natedogg

[ACPlayer]

I'll take the older gentler judaism. It survived because of its gentle philosophy, its strongly knit community.

The present activits Zionism is, IMO, abhorrent.

Actually, on second thought, I'll stay in the Athiest corner, thank you.

[Farfenugen]

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I thought you were going to mention the growing rift between Russia and the United States. Regardless, Islam is going to beat out liberal democracy in the long run because it has the moral imperative and unity to do so. Liberal societies tend to split into factions and weaken, and without a united front will not withstand Islam in the decades to come. I prefer a society of shawarmas and subjected women to that of Big Macs and fat feminists anyway.

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This was exactly what I was thinking, about the growing tension between Russia and the US. If you guys hadn't noticed realtions with Russia have grown increasingly sour as they help our enemies develop nuclear technology and their "democracy" shifts towards autocracy. If you know anything about why the Nazis took power and the german preference at the time for a strong government you will see striking similarities to the current situation in russia. There is a lot of poverty and corruption in russia and a lot of people are very unhappy with democracy. The moves by Putin to increase his power have met with vey little resistance from the masses.

As for the comments about radical islam winning over the west, that is absurd. They are the most backwards culture in the world. There is not a single culture in the world not in conflict with radical islam: the west, china, Israel, Russia, East Africa, and India. I'm sure I missed a bunch. Do you think a culture that creates so many enemies and oppresses so many people has a chance over the long run?

[Peter666]

"Haven't the Sunnis and Shiiites been at each others' throats since the death of Muhammad?"

Yes, and they have still been around for 1300 years versus less than 300 for the major liberal democracies. I don't think extremist Islam will last for a long time, but something in a more moderate form will.

Frankly, liberal democracies are not producing enough children to outpace other cultures.

[Peter666]

While in western culture religion may be dying out and be supplanted by technology, so is the population. It is the religous cultures that are producing all the children.

[Peter666]

"The moves by Putin to increase his power have met with vey little resistance from the masses."

Not only little resistance, but popular support! People actually like a strong figure head representing their country. That's something America should take note of when attempting to spread democracy throughout the world.

[ACPlayer]

That is what I mean when I say the demographics are on the side of Islam.

What needs to be remoived is not Islam, it is no better or worse than any other religion. What needs to be removed are the conditions for extremist Islam (or any other extremist religion for that matter).