Do you raise this turn?

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you're doing any raising, I would check raise the flop. Makes your hand seem believable when its against bigger field.

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Check/raising the flop is totally crazy, you'll win this pot UI about never and we'd like to draw as cheap as
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Its not even about improving or drawing. OP feels that aggressor has jack crap and feels that he can take the hand away with a raise. And in result of that, I'm letting OP know that C/R on flop has more potential.

[Nick Royale]

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you're doing any raising, I would check raise the flop. Makes your hand seem believable when its against bigger field.

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Check/raising the flop is totally crazy, you'll win this pot UI about never and we'd like to draw as cheap as
possible.

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Its not even about improving or drawing. OP feels that aggressor has jack crap and feels that he can take the hand away with a raise. And in result of that, I'm letting OP know that C/R on flop has more potential.

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The LAG folds after MP2 bets the flop and check/raising 3 players as a bluff with a very marginal hand that barely can call the flop is insane. Check/raising one player as a bluff on the turn (a player that seems tight) definately has more potential, still given the vague read check/raising the turn is bad too imo.

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you're doing any raising, I would check raise the flop. Makes your hand seem believable when its against bigger field.

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Check/raising the flop is totally crazy, you'll win this pot UI about never and we'd like to draw as cheap as
possible.

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Its not even about improving or drawing. OP feels that aggressor has jack crap and feels that he can take the hand away with a raise. And in result of that, I'm letting OP know that C/R on flop has more potential.

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The LAG folds after MP2 bets the flop and check/raising 3 players as a bluff with a very marginal hand that barely can call the flop is insane. Check/raising one player as a bluff on the turn (a player that seems tight) definately has more potential, still given the vague read check/raising the turn is bad too imo.

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both lines are very out there. I would fold flop. but given the thread, you're standing that turn is better for raise?

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Do you raise this turn?

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I wouldn't be there in this situation.

But, if I were there, I would definitely fold. And calling the turn is a much better play than raising for many reasons.

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[Nick Royale]

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you're doing any raising, I would check raise the flop. Makes your hand seem believable when its against bigger field.

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Check/raising the flop is totally crazy, you'll win this pot UI about never and we'd like to draw as cheap as
possible.

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Its not even about improving or drawing. OP feels that aggressor has jack crap and feels that he can take the hand away with a raise. And in result of that, I'm letting OP know that C/R on flop has more potential.

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The LAG folds after MP2 bets the flop and check/raising 3 players as a bluff with a very marginal hand that barely can call the flop is insane. Check/raising one player as a bluff on the turn (a player that seems tight) definately has more potential, still given the vague read check/raising the turn is bad too imo.

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both lines are very out there. I would fold flop. but given the thread, you're standing that turn is better for raise?

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Raising the flop makes more sense than raising the flop, raising the turn could be good with a certain read (that we don't seem to have) but raising the flop isn't ever good since there's already 3 other players in the pot.

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That guy is pretty tight, I may be inclined to fold here.