35s makes bottom twopair on PP 5-10 6max

[whitelime]

I like call/call much better than pushing here.

[creedofhubris]

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all you beat is a goofily-played aa/kk. judge for yourself how likely that is.

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i think this is a pretty bad way to think of this hand. I think you can beat a lot of hands that might play this way, like a ten, a semibluff draw, blah blah.

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i rarely get action from a ten or a semibluff that looks like this.

[gman06]

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I like call/call much better than pushing here.

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I hate pushing with bottom 2 here, but as played it seems just slightly better than folding. I would be surprised if you were ahead here very often at all if it all goes in the middle.

[creedofhubris]

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all you beat is a goofily-played aa/kk. judge for yourself how likely that is.

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i think this is a pretty bad way to think of this hand. I think you can beat a lot of hands that might play this way, like a ten, a semibluff draw, blah blah.

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also, since there's no draw with more than 8 outs here, its a really bad time to semibluff small with a draw, because if hero pushes then the draw has to fold.

[MDMA]

Yah gman, "slightly better than folding". Isn't that the understatement of the century.

[Jason Strasser (strassa2)]

i guess arguing about what bottom 2 pair is worth is a dumb thing to do. what a hand is worth is obivously directly related to your image at the table more than some absolute quantity. in the world I play in most of the time, the way the action went down this hand is definitely not always a hand that has you drawing dead if all the money goes in. but if you are a 13/3 nit then I suppose bottom set is a v easy fold on this board.

I like call/call versus a good player, one that will fire again on the river. Versus the type that will never bluff this river, I like putting my money in on the turn.

[gman06]

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Yah gman, "slightly better than folding". Isn't that the understatement of the century.

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Although i agree as played moving in is the optimal play, I really don't despise folding either. Like I said, if he does call our push, we are in trouble a high % of the time. As whitelime said I think call/call is best and I don't think its all that close.