Do you really believe Bush Lied? It makes no sense.

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Could you post a link showing where WMDs have been used against coalition troops?

Also could you post a link showing where and when WMDs were moved to Syria?

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So there you have it. Of course they lied. The administration has lied numerous times on many matters. The usual MO goes like this:

1. Administration tells big fat lie.
Some one points out the lie.

2. Administration smears that person and repeats lie.
Some one shows documented evidence, with 23 photographs with arrows and explanations on the back of each one, proving the falsehood.

3. Administration denies ever saying the lie, then repeats it.
Some one plays video tape, documented recordings, and sworn testimony from witnesses saying Administration said the lie.

4. Administration claims all quotes are taken out of context, then brings up flag burning or gay marriage.

Then absolutely nothing happens, the matter is dropped, and the cycle is repeated shortly after when the next lie is told.

And bottom line -- a certain percentage of the people still believe the original lie.

Why wouldn't they lie? It accomplishes what they need to get done, it rallys their base among the believers, and there has been no negative costs.

[TaintedRogue]

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Regarding our reasons for entering the Iraq war. It would clearly seem that pursuing "Weapons of Mass Destruction" was not our primary goal, nation-building was. However, it doesn't make sense to argue that Bush "lied" about the WMD. It seems far more likely that his administration was simply vastly incompetent at intelligence gathering, analysis, and interpretation. If the Bush administration *knew* that there were no WMD in Iraq, it would be completely illogical to lie about it in order to get us into the war. Why? Because his administration would have to know that after a few years of being in Iraq, when no WMD were found, it would come back to bite them in the ass. And while Bush may be dumb enough to not think this far ahead, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rove certainly aren't. Can anyone provide a counter-argument to this?

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That is one of the reasons why he sent in 1/3 the number of troops required, according to the 12 yr Pentagon Plan: So that the American people would see just how vicious the insurgents are. Now the American people want to get even for the 2500+ troops killed in Iraq.

If we had invaded Iraq in accordance with the Pentagon plan, we would have quashed the insurgents, installed a new government and been home before you had to change the oil in your car twice and we would have looked like Big Bullies to the World.

[CharlieDontSurf]

I don't see Bush as someone who needs to lie...he simply listens to what people who he holds all his trust tell him and acts on it, whether it makes sense/is totally stupid/or goes against the popular opinion. So if everyone tells him we need 500,000 troops and Dick Cheney says "We only need 307 troops and a well trained german sheperd" then Dick or whoever wins and common sense loses.

[leftyodoul]

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The WMD question has been settled. They were there. Some were destroyed by Saddam prior to the war, some have been found, some have been used against coalition troops, some were moved to Syria, and some are probably still there waiting to be discovered.

There have been dozens of news stories about WMD found in Iraq in the last 2-3 years. Anyone who watches the news occasionally would know this.

Bush knew it.
Clinton knew it.
Congress knew it.
The UN weapons inspectors knew it.
Tony Blair knew it.
Saddam Hussein knew it.
Every government with an international intelligence agency knew it.

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Well, no. Much of the intelligence presented to congressional leaders in the run-up to war has since been discredited. Moreover, even if Saddam did have some WMD's, there was no reason to believe either (a) that he could use them or (b) that he would use them.

This administration (that is, Cheney and Rumsfeld, with Bush in tow) made up the intelligence to fit their preconceived plan to invade Iraq. They placed enormous pressure on the CIA to shape the intelligence reports. Immediately and persistenly they exploited the nation's emotional reaction to 9/11 to garner support for their war. Hell, they're still doing it.

These guys are far worse than liars. They're criminals, and all of them should be in prison.

[steve9789]

Among the reasons for going in, one was to enforce U.N. resolutions that the previous administration wouldn't.

[ElliotR]

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Among the reasons for going in, one was to enforce U.N. resolutions that the previous administration wouldn't.

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Yes, I remember well the detailed description of UN resolutions given by Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld on all the talk shows in the run up to the war. Wasn't it Condi Rice that famously said, "We don't want the smoking gun to be a torn up copy of a UN resolution"?

[TaintedRogue]

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I don't see Bush as someone who needs to lie...he simply listens to what people who he holds all his trust tell him and acts on it, whether it makes sense/is totally stupid/or goes against the popular opinion. So if everyone tells him we need 500,000 troops and Dick Cheney says "We only need 307 troops and a well trained german sheperd" then Dick or whoever wins and common sense loses.

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I wouldn't be surprised if you were right, and, if you are, then Bush is incompetent, as he is unable to make intelligent/unbiased decisions. Colin Powell told Bush, as Secretrary of State, that he needed to follow the Pentagon's plan, but, Powell wasn't the Secretary of Defense.

I cannot believe, however, if any of us were Prez, and our cronies, ie. Cheney, Rumsfeld, were telling us one thing, and one of the greatest military leaders of all time were telling us another, that we wouldn't have grave doubts in the info being offered by our cronies.

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... and we would have looked like Big Bullies to the World.

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funny you should mention that.

[BluffTHIS!]

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EVERY GOVERNMENT LIES WHEN IT GOES TO WAR.

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andy,

What was FDR's lie in his address to congress on Dec. 8th, 1941?

[Copernicus]

You dont know how he lied? That he knew about Pearl Harbor and intentionally failed to prevent it so he would have an excuse to take us to war? Cmon Bluff, get with it.